06-02-2014, 04:17 AM
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06-02-2014, 04:57 AM
Well set me up for some of the salt and vinegar crisps...I always love those...sorry to hijack the thread, Lotus...
06-02-2014, 06:24 AM
(06-02-2014, 04:17 AM)myboobs Wrote:(06-02-2014, 03:44 AM)Mistress~Lotus Wrote: You'll be ok aside from the sugar buzz!, I love twizzlers myself!
Did you know uk is the world leader in making variety and range of crisps what yanks call chips !!
Same applies to sweets and chcolate .
I knows because I sells it
No I didn't
(06-02-2014, 04:57 AM)Samantha Rogers Wrote: Well set me up for some of the salt and vinegar crisps...I always love those...sorry to hijack the thread, Lotus...
Suddenly I'm in the mood for some real fish n chips, I do remember the Bull and Bear Pub when I was in Hong Kong
06-02-2014, 09:41 AM
06-02-2014, 09:44 AM
Uk is the home for fish n chip
And no I aint got chip on me shoulder about uk national
And no I aint got chip on me shoulder about uk national
06-02-2014, 11:47 PM
I've been trying to find the composition of PM to estriol and came across the first web site, and wow!, I don't think I've found anything as complete and scientific review than this. Even if you don't understand the science you'll get a better understanding of PM, Btw dexymiroestriol is stronger than miroestriol for those who don't know.
In lay terms, the ingredients in PM are similar to estradiol, which attach itself to your estrogen receptors and prevents the more serious "real estrogen"from proliferation of breast cells and potentially becoming cancerous!. It's not all fun and games though, E dominance can occur, progesterone is then suggested to balance it out.
Reading below will make your eyes bleed, or give you a F**kin migraine, read at your own risk!
Miroestriol (the bioactive component of Pueraria Mirifica) appears to be a quarter as
potent as 17β-estradiol in inducing estrogenic like effects.
http://examine.com/supplements/Pueraria+mirifica/
Pueraria Candollei var. Mirifica (Kwao Krua) appears to have a large amount of phytoestrogenic compounds, particularly isoflavones, including the ones known as Soy Isoflavones; there is also a class of three molecules known as chromenes, and the molecules in this class (Miroestrol, Isomiroestrol, and Deoxymiroestrol) are estrogenic with a similar potency to estrogen itself.
Only PM has the unique phytoestrogen (plant estrogen), miroestrol. Miroestrol is bio-similar to estriol, an estrogen (female hormone) that is much weaker than the body’s predominant estrogen, 17ß- estradiol. Miroestrol occupies the estrogen receptors more safely. If the estrogen level is high, miroestrol will compete with receptors weakening the effect of the hormones. If the estrogen level is low, miroestrol will exert its estrogenic effect of potentiation. PM also contains several other phytoestrogens including genistein, daidzein, hydroxymiroestrol and isomiroestrol.
The standardized powdered extract is adjusted to comply with the adjusted product specification which is identical to the concentrations of the liquid extract product. Preferably, each 100 g of the powdered extract contains ≧20 mg miroestrol (deoxymiroestrol), about 3-11 mg daidzin; about 12-30 mg puerarin; about 0.5-2 mg genistin; about 1.1-3 mg daidzein; and about 0.2-2 genistein. The recommended dose of the product for internal use is 80 mg of the extract 1 to 2 times/day.
The stability of the constituents was monitored by HPLC before and after spray-drying. No decomposition or degradation could be noticed (neither new peaks, nor disappearance nor reduction of any peak, nor the appearance of new shoulders). This provides reasonable assurance that a constituent, standardized and effective product is produced. Toxicity tests using a mutagenicity assay have shown the extract is negative for Staphylococcus Aureus, Salmonella typhimurium and E. coli.
The structure of miroestrol is not a steroidal hormone but is a 21 carbon compound with a 6-membered ring instead of the 5-membered ring of estradiol-17β. The similarity between miroestrol and estradiol-17β is in the size of the 4-ring molecule. The aromatic ring with the phenolic hydroxyl group at position 3 are present in miroestrol and estradiol-17β. The β-hydroxyl group at position 18 in miroestrol corresponds to the 17β-hydroxyl group of estradiol-17β and the β-hydroxyl group in the 17 position of estriol. The 17α-hydroxyl group of miroestrol corresponds to the 16α-hydroxyl group of estriol. Miroestrol is a unique phytoestrogen that is very similar to estriol while being non-hormonal and non-steroidal.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7658955.html
In lay terms, the ingredients in PM are similar to estradiol, which attach itself to your estrogen receptors and prevents the more serious "real estrogen"from proliferation of breast cells and potentially becoming cancerous!. It's not all fun and games though, E dominance can occur, progesterone is then suggested to balance it out.
Reading below will make your eyes bleed, or give you a F**kin migraine, read at your own risk!
Miroestriol (the bioactive component of Pueraria Mirifica) appears to be a quarter as
potent as 17β-estradiol in inducing estrogenic like effects.
http://examine.com/supplements/Pueraria+mirifica/
Pueraria Candollei var. Mirifica (Kwao Krua) appears to have a large amount of phytoestrogenic compounds, particularly isoflavones, including the ones known as Soy Isoflavones; there is also a class of three molecules known as chromenes, and the molecules in this class (Miroestrol, Isomiroestrol, and Deoxymiroestrol) are estrogenic with a similar potency to estrogen itself.
Only PM has the unique phytoestrogen (plant estrogen), miroestrol. Miroestrol is bio-similar to estriol, an estrogen (female hormone) that is much weaker than the body’s predominant estrogen, 17ß- estradiol. Miroestrol occupies the estrogen receptors more safely. If the estrogen level is high, miroestrol will compete with receptors weakening the effect of the hormones. If the estrogen level is low, miroestrol will exert its estrogenic effect of potentiation. PM also contains several other phytoestrogens including genistein, daidzein, hydroxymiroestrol and isomiroestrol.
The standardized powdered extract is adjusted to comply with the adjusted product specification which is identical to the concentrations of the liquid extract product. Preferably, each 100 g of the powdered extract contains ≧20 mg miroestrol (deoxymiroestrol), about 3-11 mg daidzin; about 12-30 mg puerarin; about 0.5-2 mg genistin; about 1.1-3 mg daidzein; and about 0.2-2 genistein. The recommended dose of the product for internal use is 80 mg of the extract 1 to 2 times/day.
The stability of the constituents was monitored by HPLC before and after spray-drying. No decomposition or degradation could be noticed (neither new peaks, nor disappearance nor reduction of any peak, nor the appearance of new shoulders). This provides reasonable assurance that a constituent, standardized and effective product is produced. Toxicity tests using a mutagenicity assay have shown the extract is negative for Staphylococcus Aureus, Salmonella typhimurium and E. coli.
The structure of miroestrol is not a steroidal hormone but is a 21 carbon compound with a 6-membered ring instead of the 5-membered ring of estradiol-17β. The similarity between miroestrol and estradiol-17β is in the size of the 4-ring molecule. The aromatic ring with the phenolic hydroxyl group at position 3 are present in miroestrol and estradiol-17β. The β-hydroxyl group at position 18 in miroestrol corresponds to the 17β-hydroxyl group of estradiol-17β and the β-hydroxyl group in the 17 position of estriol. The 17α-hydroxyl group of miroestrol corresponds to the 16α-hydroxyl group of estriol. Miroestrol is a unique phytoestrogen that is very similar to estriol while being non-hormonal and non-steroidal.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7658955.html
07-02-2014, 01:42 AM
Without going through the whole article , I read the dosage level of 80mg of extract. So I assume that to be the powder which anterol sells.
Since their liquids have concentration of 4 than the assumption is one only needs one drop twice a day .
Yet anterol suggest two drops twice a day .
Than if you are using liquid for massage same time are we over dosing ?
Since their liquids have concentration of 4 than the assumption is one only needs one drop twice a day .
Yet anterol suggest two drops twice a day .
Than if you are using liquid for massage same time are we over dosing ?
(07-02-2014, 01:42 AM)myboobs Wrote: Without going through the whole article , I read the dosage level of 80mg of extract. So I assume that to be the powder which anterol sells.
Since their liquids have concentration of 4 than the assumption is one only needs one drop twice a day .
Yet anterol suggest two drops twice a day .
Than if you are using liquid for massage same time are we over dosing ?
That part was regarding for the patent, pre-production 2004, I do believe it was filed in 2001. So go by what ainterol recommends or what you've been doing!
07-02-2014, 02:01 AM
This is for reference, not aimed at anybody
(27-12-2013, 12:34 AM)Mistress~Lotus Wrote:Quote:True Louise, if I remeber correctly the levels of testosterone are 20x greater in men than in women. I'm also thinking nettle root actually has a dual action on estrogen - diminishing it by directly blocking its synthesis, but by diminishing testosterone it could indirectly increase estrogen, because testosterone inhibits estrogen. So I wonder what the net effect is.
Oh, and now I remember I noticed my hairs grew less and slower after I started taking nettle root. Tho I was also on BCP at the same time.
Found this in a closed archive thread by ADMIN.
Quote:Interestingly, the male body manufactures its own supply of female hormone.
Where does it get it?
It makes it out of that most masculine of all substances, testosterone. An enzyme called aromatase is widely present in the body and converts a certain portion of the male hormone into the female.
When it comes to estrogen, the window of optimum effectiveness in the male body is very small. Estrogen produced by this conversion can actually unlock or displace testosterone at its various cellular receptor sites. Consequently, too much estrogen will switch off activities.
The control mechanism aspect of estrogen can get out of hand as we grow older. Illness, drugs, dietary imbalances, lifestyle and certain aspects of normal aging help accelerate this process and raise estrogen levels to unhealthy heights. One of the first things we notice is that levels of aromatase, the testosterone-to-estrogen converter, increase. This is, in part, because systems for controlling aromatase falter. In addition, methods of eliminating estrogen once it has been created decline. As a result, the typical middle-aged man becomes overestrogenized."
07-02-2014, 02:30 AM
It doesn't seem like its enough!
It is typical for the average man's testicles to produce about seven milligrams of testosterone a day,
Of the 2-4% of testosterone not bound to one of these proteins is known as free-testosterone and it is this testosterone that has effect on muscle-building and all the other physiological benefits we look for from increased testosterone.
Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/5468060
Same info, different source:
Most men produce 6-8 mg of the male hormone testosterone (an androgen) per day, compared to most women who produce 0.5 mg daily. Female hormones, estrogens, are also present in both sexes, but in larger amounts for women.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/sexual-h...ionary.htm
It is typical for the average man's testicles to produce about seven milligrams of testosterone a day,
Of the 2-4% of testosterone not bound to one of these proteins is known as free-testosterone and it is this testosterone that has effect on muscle-building and all the other physiological benefits we look for from increased testosterone.
Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/5468060
Same info, different source:
Most men produce 6-8 mg of the male hormone testosterone (an androgen) per day, compared to most women who produce 0.5 mg daily. Female hormones, estrogens, are also present in both sexes, but in larger amounts for women.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/sexual-h...ionary.htm
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