(30-11-2024, 10:39 PM)Ernie Wrote: Hi.
My goal is to just grow breasts somewhat before BA surgery to give proper areola size and shape without damaging libido and erectile function.
Im very confused about the protocol.
Please help me with the few questions:
- What about anti-androgenes? Flutamide subcutaneous or topical reishi extract or bica if i dont want an ED?
- Is it suggested to start with e2+dhea+rc until buds are complete and then move to e2+p4+dhea+rc with dmso as a solvent?
- What is the point of cayenne and bo in addition? Is it for the beginning or later?
- I can't find suggested dosages. Dhea 75mg, p4 20mg, e2 1mg, rc ??
- Which form of e2 to use if I can't find a cream?
I dont want to mess up my health, so I'm reading and trying to understand, but it's scattered and contradictory.
Please help. Thanks.
What Stevenator just said, the forum is often quiet and replies are slow, that's just how it is. I'll try to help you with your questions the best I can, because you're mentioning things that I'm doing on the side of the core of the topical protocol.
1. That's a problem, you have to suppress T enough of you will not get substancial breast development. You can't have both at the same time, you can't have full male function and develop female sexondary sex characteristics. That only happens when your hormone balance is female and that makes stuff not function really well. You might get ED and you might make yourself infertile in the process. There's not a easy solution to this, its been talked to death many times and the fact is that you can't "be both", that's just not how our bodies work. You can get a sort of working compromise, but its difficult.
2. I don't know where you got this order from because the core of the topical protocol is DHEA, progesterone and estradiol. You seem to be mixing the idea of the topicals together with typical progression of feminising HRT program. Red Clover extract is quite new addition to the protocol, the science of it is exciting, I'm in the process of experimenting on it, as are few others, expect more information about its effictiveness in near future. I was the one who added DMSO as absorbing (and fat cell division exciting) agent to the topical protocol and few others have picked it up since, it has been very helpful addition along with dermarolling to aid absorbtion, but its not absolutely essential. It should be dosed with moderation and absolutely do not use it in its pure form! The one I'm using is a 20% cream so its easier to dose in moderation. The cream also works as a carrier to oils and DHEA. I will try to find studies and more information about DMSO some time and post them as that hasn't been thoroughly talked about yet.
3. I took up the idea of Cayenne extract with BO from the thread Bovine ovary vodka. The idea of cayenne extract is that it causes warmth and ends up helping blood circulation, there is also speculation about it possibly causing a heparin release by mast cell granulation, (Don't ask me to explain how that works, I'm quoting from memory and can't possibly quote the scientific explanation of what this means.) this causes hepatocyte growth factor levels to rise and HGF enables IGF-1 to work more efficiently, again this is just me quoting from memory, its all about boosting growth factors and hormones responsible for breast development and this is one of the less explored sides of it. Note that elevating HGF a lot could be potentially dangerous as these growth factors are also hugely active in cancer cells. So if you have any reason to suspect being sick with cancer, absolutely stay the hell away from stuff that excites growth factors. Anyway, the point og Bovine Ovary in cayenne extract is that the extract contains 65-70% alcohol in which the BO powder absorbs into. Also the alcohol will break the ceratin "plug" on the areola which allows better absorbtion, this is helpful with ALL topical items as anything which enhances absorbtion will let way higher amount to pass the skin barrier. Note that the combination of dermarolling, DMSO and the alcohol of the cayenne extract all aim to this same goal. About why BO is topically functioning and a good idea, read Lotus's latest posts on the Project X thread, the BO & estradiol connection is well explained over there.
4. DHEA as cream 60mg split to 30mg twice a day, or to save money get micronised DHEA and open the capsules using the powder, they're typically 25mg ones, I use 75mg dose, so three capsules. Progesterone can be dosed higher if possible, I'm taking 20mg from cream and 200mg from a capsule, that's quite a bit and it works just fine. You could of course use more cream to get the dosing higher as 20mg isn't much. For estradiol I've been taking 1mg as estradiol hemihydrate gel.
5. Get estrogel of some sort. Grey marker DIY HRT shops sell it, we will not disclose any sources for it openly, but you can easily do a search online to find them.
Great idea to go health first, but there is no contradictory information on this thread at least. The core idea of the topical protocol is very simple to follow and it has been outlined pretty well both in this thread and elsewhere. It only gets more complicated with the side show of absorbtion enhancers etc. I'm responsible for throwing a whole lot more into the broth on my own, I try to always explain that the core idea is a very simple one, its nothing more than DHEA, Prog and Estradiol which I suggest everybody to start out with, once you get the hang of it, then branch out into more complicated program if you feel like experimenting.
I kinda have a feeling of responsibility, that I have to hop onto my thread and post about all the side show of topicals, go through each item once again and explain why and how the best I can.
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