[Katie]

I agree, I also felt the same with regard to BO.
The fact seems to be that this " point of no return" was just marketing hype!

Yes, there certainly is a Point of no return with some combos and durations of taking them, but simply taking BO for over 6-9 months isnt one of them unless its a massive dose daily.

Theres very little likelyhood of you hitting upon the Trans "holy grail" of an irreversible cascade effect to free Feminisation

(I wish!!!!)

[Mindy2017]

Might think of Point Of No Return differently. It may be true (and I agree) that if you stop BO so does further physical progress. However, it may be that Point Of No Return could be mental as opposed to physical. The more you see change the more you want it and the more you get it the less you care of consequences. Try stopping after 6 months of NBE... not that easy.

[Katie]

Might think of Point Of No Return differently. It may be true (and I agree) that if you stop BO so does further physical progress. However, it may be that Point Of No Return could be mental as opposed to physical. The more you see change the more you want it and the more you get it the less you care of consequences. Try stopping after 6 months of NBE... not that easy.

Whilst I would agree with that idea entirely, it would then beg the question of say Synthtic HRT, and/or other herbals that have (for some) the same psychological effect.
Which would then make you ask, Why do folks seem to single out BO?

[Mindy2017]

I think they all have that psychological affect. Could be just me but I doubt that.

[Jimmyjames2]

That's another part that scares me. I really don't know what I want to get out of this. I've dabbled in my own entertainment in crossdressing. No one else involved. I always felt good being dressed, then the desire to feminized developed. So I figured I can keep it in a controlled environment, and/if something happens I'll adjust what I need to do to maintain it or stop it if it's too risky. Off course I would like it to go as far as possible with development, and hope there is actually some. Then I've been thinking, what happens if I develope well and feel great.... do I risk it all? Am I going to want to stop?

So I keep reading blogs and get no answer. Webmd doesn't address bivone ovary at all. So is BO a bunch of BS? If there is a risk with it, why hasn't the FDA regulated it?

If there is no point of no return, but BO is proven to show better results then PM, sign me up!

[Katie]

That's another part that scares me. I really don't know what I want to get out of this.

And it should concern you too!

Hormones aren't things to be messed with unless you have a Clear idea in mind First.
Before taking Anything! Have aseriously good and long think about what is you DO actually want, then do some research, make a plan, and Absolutely stick to it!
Dont deviate from it or up the plan tonsomething further away, just set simple goals, and at the end of each, take a breather and reassess what if anything you want to add.

Iv been at the rush in and dont care about consequences stage myself, and its much better to set little goals and achieve them regularly

[Jimmyjames2]

Absolutely. I don't have problems setting goals for this. I have a plan how I'm going to handle each step. First, was finding the best items that will work. Searching around, nothing says that anything actually does something. I understand everybody is different, so I'm never going to get the definitive answer to this. So, I'm looking for the item that is more than likely to do something. Just how much is something? Is BO more than likely to do something opposed to PM or funegreek? So, it's a crapshoot at best.

With safety in mind, I guess the best thing to do is try PM first. I have a couple of months worth then take it from there. If nothing, I'll go for the BO. Maybe by that time I'll have more usable info.

[Jimmyjames2]

Katie, can you tell me about that consequence stage?

[Lotus]

Might think of Point Of No Return differently.  It may be true (and I agree) that if you stop BO so does further physical progress.  However, it may be that Point Of No Return could be mental as opposed to physical.  The more you see change the more you want it and the more you get it the less you care of consequences.  Try stopping after 6 months of NBE... not that easy.

Whilst I would agree with that idea entirely, it would then beg the question of say Synthtic HRT,  and/or  other herbals that have (for some) the same psychological effect.
Which would then make you ask, Why do folks seem to single out BO?

It would appear that NBE (BO included) fell short of some folks expectations, aka-jumping the fence. I know of dozens (self included) of males started here at BN and with NBE (red clover, SP, FG) a starter kit imo. Then, as time progressed, that wasn't enough, the next progression...PM. Sooo, after maybe say 12-24 months? of PM things didn't progress as fast either...enter BO. My experience with BO ended poorly (Mayko knows my deal w/BO). Eventually, folks find their way back to PM. During which GID worsens I might add, (self doubt torments and you need to be you), then either you use DIY hormones or seek medical care to match your current GID, doesn't mean full transition y'all, the gender variants are vast, it took me along time to find a doctor (not an endo) that specializes in transgender care.

The BN forum peeps are very helpful during the rough patches, kudos to all that help (put in, what you get back).

When the body is deprived of androgens, the therapy is termed castration-based therapy as the lack of androgens mimics castration. By competing with circulating androgens for binding sites on prostate cell receptors, antiandrogens promote apoptosis and inhibit prostate cancer growth.

Btw, to make clear, males taking anti-androgens mimic castration, we can't say we didn't warn folks, right Julie?. (Julie warned me about BO a couple of years ago). and on the other hand, dozens don't cross the point of no return (the fence). Happiness (for them) are a pair of B's, that's cool too......either way, we be cool @ BN. If you desire DD's and a booty like a cadillac...so be it.

When the body is deprived of androgens, the therapy is termed castration-based therapy as the lack of androgens mimics castration. By competing with circulating androgens for binding sites on prostate cell receptors, antiandrogens promote apoptosis and inhibit prostate cancer growth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16845534

[Jimmyjames2]

So Lotus, can I assume by reading your post, BO=castration? Only if you go past the point of no return? Is there any warning sign that you are approaching the point of no return? If you haven't gotten to the point of no return and stop BO is there full reversal or has the male system been damaged on the first pill?

I'm sorry if I ask too many questions. It sucks being a newbie.