(16-03-2014, 07:39 AM)Pansy-Mae Wrote: An example of 'who really knows?'...
Many years ago I was at a tv event in London with a group of tv friends( the expression 'tg' hadn't really been invented back then). We were all in our 40's and 50's at that time.
Suddenly one of them ( Julie) rushed off to a table the other side of the dance floor, to a group that none of us knew. A few minutes later (s)he came back obviously in a state of shock and confusion, said that everything was Ok but to excuse him, and he went back to the other table. We later found out that at the other table, was Julie's BROTHER. Neither of them knew about the others TV side, and they hadn't recognised each other, but both of them had their GG gf's with them and the two women had recognised each other!
Moral of the story, expect the unexpected!
(16-03-2014, 01:47 AM)AnnabelP Wrote: We encounter many people in our daily lives, whether by telephone, static or moving images e.g. TV,or directly using one or more of our senses. Whatever the form of contact, we nearly always manage to assign a sex to each person with a high degree of reliability.On a related note, after having just become aware of my probable GID a few months ago, I've had a couple of instances where people have reacted to me that made me wonder if they picked up a TG "vibe" from me. Now, I'm not positive in either case, but what's interesting to me is that as far as I can tell, I haven't changed my appearance or mannerisms. So, is it likely I actually have made some changes, so subtle that I'm not even aware if them?
What are the essential cues that enable us to achieve this over such a wide range of sensory input data? To keep OT, breast development is one clue, although never of itself conclusive (!), but what if breasts or their absence cannot be seen or felt? What lessons are are there to be learned here by those who would seek to pass in a gender differing from their biological sex? Some of the answers may seem obvious, but I remain astonished that our brains manage to gather and weight available input data more or less subconsciously, and make instantaneous judgements based on data which often seems wholly insufficient. The brain's weighting of the data is obviously important here.
(17-03-2014, 01:04 PM)flamesabers Wrote: Michelle, if you don't mind me asking, what would you consider to be "TG vibes?" As far as making subconscious changes to alter your expression of gender, I think it's very possible.Flame,
(17-03-2014, 01:04 PM)flamesabers Wrote: Annabel,
I like your new avatar. I read in another of your posts that you wanted to retire the pig avatar, but I didn't expect it to be this soon.It reminds me of when Sarah ditched the goat avatar.
I think the workings of the brain can be a very complex topic in regards to matters like discerning gender. There may also be a cultural aspect for how we expect men and women to look (i.e., women typically have longer hair while men usually have shorter haircuts).
Michelle, if you don't mind me asking, what would you consider to be "TG vibes?" As far as making subconscious changes to alter your expression of gender, I think it's very possible.