[Samantha Rogers]

Tibetan - My posts were not meant to attack you, honey. I realize you are just voicing how you see things. But my desire was simply to explain things from the other side. I don't take your comments in a negative manner. I disagree with some of your views but that is natural, I suppose.
Thanks for adding to the conversation!

[MissC]

I did enjoy the part where MissC decided to criticize Clara's and Sammie's responses as being combative. The hypocrisy was tangible, and I literally laughed out loud. Thanks for that.

I'm sure everyone who remembers reading the invective you directed at me is getting a chuckle out of your analysis as well. It's good that you're so fabulous at recognizing hypocrisy... in others.

[flamesabers]

Maybe it's just me, but I find it somewhat tragic how this thread originated about the ugliness of posters on another thread, but has since devolved into our own members taking snipes at each other.

[Lenneth]

Maybe it's just me, but I find it somewhat tragic how this thread originated about the ugliness of posters on another thread, but has since devolved into our own members taking snipes at each other.

my thoughts as well.

[Samantha Rogers]

Maybe this one has reached a good end point?

[GoneGirl]

Maybe this one has reached a good end point?

I second that.

Clara

[MissC]

It's basically the opposite of empathy, but instead of trying to put yourself in someone else's shoes, you try to cram others into yours....and then act like there is something wrong with them when they don't fit.

I should be really upset by how far off you are. You could not possibly be more wrong about me. But it occurs to me something fuels your anger, so I'll explain instead.

This is the part that relates to the reason I do what I do. And it's the giant elephant in the room:

Post-op suicides.

It is patently obvious, with studies, anecdotes and all, that your path isn't for everyone, either.

Someone should at least point out that fact once in a while, don't you think?

I'm watching two more post-op acquaintances circle the drain, because they feel they've made the biggest mistake of their lives. But you know what? Not one person ever told either of them they might be making a mistake. No, all they got was SUPPORT. They got fuckin' gobs of support. Everyone told them it was the best thing for them, SRS...

And it wasn't. But it's a bit too late now.

While it's nearly certain I couldn't have changed their course, I still feel bad for not speaking up and presenting another option. I might have saved someone from depression or suicide, but I didn't, because it wouldn't have been "supportive".

Listen to me carefully: I have never once told YOU that YOU shouldn't do what you're doing, have I? In fact, before you decided to rip on me, I never said one word to you. I don't give a flamin' fuck what you do. I don't know you; you're a random person on the internet. Frankly, I'm tired of your snark and insults.

I'm writing (on this subject) from a painful dark place where I've seen friends die. One of my best friends from high school ate a bullet from his .45. I don't want any more friends to die. So I will continue to speak up. I will continue to tell my story, in the hopes that someone may someday be helped by it. Someone did that for me; I feel a karmic obligation to pay it forward.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. If you still can't think of anything decent to say, then at least have the simple human courtesy to ignore me.

[SarahSchilling]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. If you still can't think of anything decent to say, then at least have the simple human courtesy to ignore me.

I'm sorry that some friends of yours made irreversible, tragic mistakes. Thanks for sharing the story. If you're really trying to make an impact on people's decisions, you should approach the subject more delicately. As it stands, you're just pissing people off, not helping them. Then again, everyone has their flaws. I can be somewhat overly emotional at times.

Anyways, maybe you should ignore me. I'm not inclined to follow your suggestion about my ignoring you. I know for a fact that several other posters already do that, which kind of defeats the purpose of your professed altruism.

I will, however, try to keep the reasons for your views in mind before responding from now on. I hope you aim towards helping people rather than inciting them, because inciting people tends to make them less likely to listen to your advice, no matter how well-intentioned it may be.

Edit- This is as close to a truce as I can manage after several friendly edits, Flame.

lol

[flamesabers]

Miss C and Sarah,

I like you both. I really do. I also respect both of your opinions. Would you please stop (or at least agree to a truce) with launching these personal attacks against each other? (Doesn't it feel a little bit senseless to go back and forth at each other's throats?)

[TibetanPrincess]

Wow, talk about lost in translation. I have never stated such a thing about TG's being automatically gay or bi. As far as your stepford wives comment, thats a bit much. I already stated I can be the breadwinner while hubby takes care of the household. Its just a fact, women are and will always be the weaker Sex. The world is not quite equal as far as male and female roles and respect goes. Its still a male dominated world. When the day comes, where women never seek male companionship that offers financial and safety security, and when men carry children in the womb, then my views will change.
That brain wiring has to be there (that's on both the man and woman husband and wife).

A child, esp a male will always need their father no matter what. I know its common for mothers to have to try and fulfill both, but can often backfire.

I agree with you on working towards a common goal. That is truly part of how a marraige works. When we can truly understand each other's gender roles, we can fullly fulfil them without question or uncertainty.
That is once again, only my opinion.

BTW, I'm not talking about TG's. I know its only a percentage and the spectrum is broad. I'm talking about the in betweens and those who claim to be straight.

Um I have to say something to this. TG's are not automaticly gay or bisexual. At one point in my life I was confused but from experience I can say without a shadow of doubt I am attracted to women! I don't claim to be straight, I am straight.

Are you sure about that? That's like me saying hypothetically, what do you know, you are not a biological woman. You have no idea what its like as a genetic woman fulfilling the wife role, how this hampers the family dynamic, my perspective of my husband, feeling insecure that he will won't pull his weight and be the head of household like we need because hes too hung up on his desires to CD and. unfortunately, we are not equals (biologically speaking). Its only natural for a wife to feel secure with a man who is sure of himself, honest, and fulfilling his husbandly duties. We are the weaker sex, so no need to be macho, but please, stay masculine, we need that strength. Its just how most women are biologically wired. We feel safe and secure with a masculine man.

That seems like a very "Stepford Wives" view of marriage and family life. The rate of single parent families is higher than ever before. Partnerships in my experience is two people, equally working together towards a common goal. Is the traditional female role still alive in the post feminist world?

I could go on saying one doesn't know what they are talking about when claiming they are female inside, while male on the outside. How can one prove with tests they are female while their genetics gave them the opposite sex as a gender?

Continuing to also say like many wives have about their partners, that they would never be female, therefore, not know what it is like to be one. How on earth could one identify themselves as such in any way when they are already male?

I could go on saying you can't possibly understand because you are female outside and female inside.

Gender dysphoria is a condition in which a person feels that there is a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.
Biological sex is assigned at birth, depending on the appearance of the infant. Gender identity is the gender that a person “identifies” with, or feels themselves to be.

This mismatch can cause feelings of discomfort that are called gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a recognised condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It is not a mental illness.

There are strict criteria for diagnosing gender dysphoria, these are different for children and adults. However, the criteria are based on the assumption that gender dysphoria is a purely psychiatric condition (relating to the mind), which is now increasingly thought to be a misconception.

For this reason, and due to the fact that gender dysphoria is so complex, specialists tend to make a diagnosis based on each individual, rather than just on the criteria.

Denita