[Larana]

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Spanky: this is an interresting solution.It's sure this mixed more effective.The question is:Won't they attacked each other?
it does work possiby to take daily,isn't?

Here is an interresting article:

http://natural-fertility-info.com/white_..._ally.html

I am not aware of any reason why PM and WP would work against one another, but then again I am not as well informed as many others. I did have that concern when I took PM with DIM, as DIM is reported to reduce free estrogen as well as free testosterone.

One observation I would note is that I expected my buds to start to reappear and become tender, but nothing of the sort has happened. Rather, I just have a general "plumping" effect on my breasts, along with softening of the nipples -- something I noticed previously when I began taking WP extract separately a couple of months ago.

Please note that my observations are not scientific and not based on empirical measurements. They just reflect what I believe is happening.

Plumping effects is pretty much good. What is that DIM?

[GoneGirl]

One observation I would note is that I expected my buds to start to reappear and become tender, but nothing of the sort has happened. Rather, I just have a general "plumping" effect on my breasts, along with softening of the nipples -- something I noticed previously when I began taking WP extract separately a couple of months ago.

Hi Spanky,
Your most recent progress pics were posted in March of this year (good growth to be sure, congrats). In the ensuing three months have you progressed, regressed, stayed steady? Do you have a better idea of what you want to achieve through NBE?

Clara

[spanky (aka Lola)]

One observation I would note is that I expected my buds to start to reappear and become tender, but nothing of the sort has happened. Rather, I just have a general "plumping" effect on my breasts, along with softening of the nipples -- something I noticed previously when I began taking WP extract separately a couple of months ago.

Hi Spanky,
Your most recent progress pics were posted in March of this year (good growth to be sure, congrats). In the ensuing three months have you progressed, regressed, stayed steady? Do you have a better idea of what you want to achieve through NBE?

Clara

Hi Clara -

A little after posting the March pics, I went on hiatus from PM, and took only AAs (spearmint and WP). i was interested in seeing what would happen to my breast development and to suspend growth temporarily. It definitely suspended the growth. After about 20 days, my buds had subsided substantially, to the point where they had receded into the depths, so to speak. All tenderness had dissipated. As a result, my breasts felt much less dense or solid. About 8 or 9 days ago, I resumed PM as outlined above. Overall, my breasts seem a little smaller than in March, and softer. Same for my nipples.

As for my goals, I remain a crazy mixed up fool. Initially, I was daunted by the thought of coming out to family and friends. More recently, there is a new rascal of an inhibition. I began to think/believe that if I proceeded full-tilt, I would only look like a botched hybrid, like a tree grafted in some bizarre way, part oak and part evergreen if you will. So that is where I am today. I would love to be able to present as a woman in flower, but don't believe I can pull it off. I may just have to remain a shrub!

[GoneGirl]

One observation I would note is that I expected my buds to start to reappear and become tender, but nothing of the sort has happened. Rather, I just have a general "plumping" effect on my breasts, along with softening of the nipples -- something I noticed previously when I began taking WP extract separately a couple of months ago.

Hi Spanky,
Your most recent progress pics were posted in March of this year (good growth to be sure, congrats). In the ensuing three months have you progressed, regressed, stayed steady? Do you have a better idea of what you want to achieve through NBE?

Clara

Hi Clara -

A little after posting the March pics, I went on hiatus from PM, and took only AAs (spearmint and WP). i was interested in seeing what would happen to my breast development and to suspend growth temporarily. It definitely suspended the growth. After about 20 days, my buds had subsided substantially, to the point where they had receded into the depths, so to speak. All tenderness had dissipated. As a result, my breasts felt much less dense or solid. About 8 or 9 days ago, I resumed PM as outlined above. Overall, my breasts seem a little smaller than in March, and softer. Same for my nipples.

As for my goals, I remain a crazy mixed up fool. Initially, I was daunted by the thought of coming out to family and friends. More recently, there is a new rascal of an inhibition. I began to think/believe that if I proceeded full-tilt, I would only look like a botched hybrid, like a tree grafted in some bizarre way, part oak and part evergreen if you will. So that is where I am today. I would love to be able to present as a woman in flower, but don't believe I can pull it off. I may just have to remain a shrub!

I know how you feel, Spanky. I've read several books to date about the experiences of transsexuals, and I'm not sure I have the strength to go through what is required to fully transition, and I hope I don't have to. It is a daunting process emotionally and physically. I've met a couple of TS women lately and had a chance to talk about their experiences. Their words only reinforced the perception that the risks one faces in deciding to go down that path are huge.

The key is to find that 'middle ground' where one's dysphoria is reduced to a tolerable level. Where that point is for me is still a huge question. I haven't reached it yet. Why? I don't know why -- I've come so far already, but the train keeps moving down the track.

I used to think it a ridiculous notion that I could resemble a woman enough to make a successful transition. And, I know today that I could never be the woman I've dreamed of being. Being transgender is a cruel trick unlike other birth defects that are easier to understand.

But, my thinking is changing. There are lots of transwomen that are not attractive. It isn't a question of whether they 'pass' or not, it's a question of matching their gender identity to their gender role even if the gender role part falls short. I also now see the tremendous power of HRT to transform the male body to one that is much more feminine in appearance. It takes a couple of years of consistent treatment, but the results are truly amazing. I think I could achieve a somewhat adequate physical transformation. Do I want to? Yes and no. As my wife says, all we can do is take it a step at a time. Eventually I'll reach my place of comfort.

I hope that everyone on this forum can match their place on the gender spectrum to a presentation and life style that brings mental peace and contentment to their lives. Unfortunately, there is no recipe for achieving that end. We all have to discover the best course for ourselves.

Good luck on your pursuit of that dream, Spanky.

Clara

[spanky (aka Lola)]

I know how you feel, Spanky. I've read several books to date about the experiences of transsexuals, and I'm not sure I have the strength to go through what is required to fully transition, and I hope I don't have to. It is a daunting process emotionally and physically. I've met a couple of TS women lately and had a chance to talk about their experiences. Their words only reinforced the perception that the risks one faces in deciding to go down that path are huge.

The key is to find that 'middle ground' where one's dysphoria is reduced to a tolerable level. Where that point is for me is still a huge question. I haven't reached it yet. Why? I don't know why -- I've come so far already, but the train keeps moving down the track.

I used to think it a ridiculous notion that I could resemble a woman enough to make a successful transition. And, I know today that I could never be the woman I've dreamed of being. Being transgender is a cruel trick unlike other birth defects that are easier to understand.

But, my thinking is changing. There are lots of transwomen that are not attractive. It isn't a question of whether they 'pass' or not, it's a question of matching their gender identity to their gender role even if the gender role part falls short. I also now see the tremendous power of HRT to transform the male body to one that is much more feminine in appearance. It takes a couple of years of consistent treatment, but the results are truly amazing. I think I could achieve a somewhat adequate physical transformation. Do I want to? Yes and no. As my wife says, all we can do is take it a step at a time. Eventually I'll reach my place of comfort.

I hope that everyone on this forum can match their place on the gender spectrum to a presentation and life style that brings mental peace and contentment to their lives. Unfortunately, there is no recipe for achieving that end. We all have to discover the best course for ourselves.

Good luck on your pursuit of that dream, Spanky.

Clara

Thank you so much for your perspective and thoughtful comments. I think I am several steps behind you on the path, maybe more than that. But I know I cannot simply "leave it where it lies." So instead of charging headlong, I am sauntering down a path, generally pretty happy with life and especially with my wife and family. I want it all, but I cannot risk it all, if you know what I mean.

I only occasionally think about full transition (SRS), so unless things change in the future, it will be somewhere within the spectrum rather than and one edge, for me. For now, I will stick with PM and AAs, but do not rule out a pharmaceutical approach should I stall short of a more comfortable spot.

Again, thank you for providing your wisdom.

[GoneGirl]

I know how you feel, Spanky. I've read several books to date about the experiences of transsexuals, and I'm not sure I have the strength to go through what is required to fully transition, and I hope I don't have to. It is a daunting process emotionally and physically. I've met a couple of TS women lately and had a chance to talk about their experiences. Their words only reinforced the perception that the risks one faces in deciding to go down that path are huge.

The key is to find that 'middle ground' where one's dysphoria is reduced to a tolerable level. Where that point is for me is still a huge question. I haven't reached it yet. Why? I don't know why -- I've come so far already, but the train keeps moving down the track.

I used to think it a ridiculous notion that I could resemble a woman enough to make a successful transition. And, I know today that I could never be the woman I've dreamed of being. Being transgender is a cruel trick unlike other birth defects that are easier to understand.

But, my thinking is changing. There are lots of transwomen that are not attractive. It isn't a question of whether they 'pass' or not, it's a question of matching their gender identity to their gender role even if the gender role part falls short. I also now see the tremendous power of HRT to transform the male body to one that is much more feminine in appearance. It takes a couple of years of consistent treatment, but the results are truly amazing. I think I could achieve a somewhat adequate physical transformation. Do I want to? Yes and no. As my wife says, all we can do is take it a step at a time. Eventually I'll reach my place of comfort.

I hope that everyone on this forum can match their place on the gender spectrum to a presentation and life style that brings mental peace and contentment to their lives. Unfortunately, there is no recipe for achieving that end. We all have to discover the best course for ourselves.

Good luck on your pursuit of that dream, Spanky.

Clara

Thank you so much for your perspective and thoughtful comments. I think I am several steps behind you on the path, maybe more than that. But I know I cannot simply "leave it where it lies." So instead of charging headlong, I am sauntering down a path, generally pretty happy with life and especially with my wife and family. I want it all, but I cannot risk it all, if you know what I mean.

I only occasionally think about full transition (SRS), so unless things change in the future, it will be somewhere within the spectrum rather than and one edge, for me. For now, I will stick with PM and AAs, but do not rule out a pharmaceutical approach should I stall short of a more comfortable spot.

Again, thank you for providing your wisdom.

You're welcome, Spanky. And, I just want to add that I think you're doing the right thing by taking it very slow at this point. I don't think anyone should feel pressured to make these critical life changes at an uncomfortable pace. There's nothing wrong with remaining in a male role with some means of dealing with transgender issues.

Clara

[Larana]

I know how you feel, Spanky. I've read several books to date about the experiences of transsexuals, and I'm not sure I have the strength to go through what is required to fully transition, and I hope I don't have to. It is a daunting process emotionally and physically. I've met a couple of TS women lately and had a chance to talk about their experiences. Their words only reinforced the perception that the risks one faces in deciding to go down that path are huge.

The key is to find that 'middle ground' where one's dysphoria is reduced to a tolerable level. Where that point is for me is still a huge question. I haven't reached it yet. Why? I don't know why -- I've come so far already, but the train keeps moving down the track.

I used to think it a ridiculous notion that I could resemble a woman enough to make a successful transition. And, I know today that I could never be the woman I've dreamed of being. Being transgender is a cruel trick unlike other birth defects that are easier to understand.

But, my thinking is changing. There are lots of transwomen that are not attractive. It isn't a question of whether they 'pass' or not, it's a question of matching their gender identity to their gender role even if the gender role part falls short. I also now see the tremendous power of HRT to transform the male body to one that is much more feminine in appearance. It takes a couple of years of consistent treatment, but the results are truly amazing. I think I could achieve a somewhat adequate physical transformation. Do I want to? Yes and no. As my wife says, all we can do is take it a step at a time. Eventually I'll reach my place of comfort.

I hope that everyone on this forum can match their place on the gender spectrum to a presentation and life style that brings mental peace and contentment to their lives. Unfortunately, there is no recipe for achieving that end. We all have to discover the best course for ourselves.

Good luck on your pursuit of that dream, Spanky.

Clara

Thank you so much for your perspective and thoughtful comments. I think I am several steps behind you on the path, maybe more than that. But I know I cannot simply "leave it where it lies." So instead of charging headlong, I am sauntering down a path, generally pretty happy with life and especially with my wife and family. I want it all, but I cannot risk it all, if you know what I mean.

I only occasionally think about full transition (SRS), so unless things change in the future, it will be somewhere within the spectrum rather than and one edge, for me. For now, I will stick with PM and AAs, but do not rule out a pharmaceutical approach should I stall short of a more comfortable spot.

Again, thank you for providing your wisdom.

As you mentioned: What is that DIM?

[spanky (aka Lola)]

DIM is an abbreviation for diindolylmethyane. It is a product of cruciferous vegetables (such as broccoli), and is believed both to help prevent cancer of various types and to regulate estrogen metabolism. It is also believed to be helpful in eliminating free testosterone, which contributes to prostate enlargement and cancer, perhaps as an effect of regulating estrogen metabolism. I learned all that through the google machine.

[Larana]

DIM is an abbreviation for diindolylmethyane. It is a product of cruciferous vegetables (such as broccoli), and is believed both to help prevent cancer of various types and to regulate estrogen metabolism. It is also believed to be helpful in eliminating free testosterone, which contributes to prostate enlargement and cancer, perhaps as an effect of regulating estrogen metabolism. I learned all that through the google machine.

Thank you.All right. Do you had experied effects from oil with PM skin lubricated?

[spanky (aka Lola)]

DIM is an abbreviation for diindolylmethyane. It is a product of cruciferous vegetables (such as broccoli), and is believed both to help prevent cancer of various types and to regulate estrogen metabolism. It is also believed to be helpful in eliminating free testosterone, which contributes to prostate enlargement and cancer, perhaps as an effect of regulating estrogen metabolism. I learned all that through the google machine.

Thank you.All right. Do you had experied effects from oil with PM skin lubricated?

I have not.