[Lenneth]

didn't know pc was 5ar....perhaps taking spearmint while using pc might be what I should do since I have problems with DHT....

[Lotus]

didn't know pc was 5ar....perhaps taking spearmint while using pc might be what I should do since I have problems with DHT....

PC is a strong 5 ar inhibitor

Novel actions of progesterone: what we know today and what will be the scenario in the future?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22775208

Wow, check this out:
http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/hormo...z37nPCJ5R3

Scroll down to the reference section.....

[Lotus]

didn't know pc was 5ar....perhaps taking spearmint while using pc might be what I should do since I have problems with DHT....

PC is a strong 5 ar inhibitor

Novel actions of progesterone: what we know today and what will be the scenario in the future?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22775208

Wow, check this out:
http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/hormo...z37nPCJ5R3

Scroll down to the reference section.....

Men & Progesterone
Why some men use progesterone:

Men need it to make testosterone and for the adrenal glands to make cortisone
Men with BPH (swelling of the prostate) and other male related problems report that they experience some relief with progesterone cream
Progesterone has NO feminizing characteristics
Men report that it helps them with complexion and increases energy
It is believed to help balance the estrogens that build in a man's body
because progesterone levels drop, estradiol levels rise, and testosterone changes in form in older men
Adding progesterone back into the body helps restore normal inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase, thus preventing testosterone from changing into dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which stimulates proliferation of prostate cells
If men have low progesterone levels their estradiol levels can increase. This increase can lead to cancer of the prostate, just as it leads to breast and uterine cancer in women.

http://www.vienuetestosterone.com/refere...terone.asp

[Lenneth]

didn't know pc was 5ar....perhaps taking spearmint while using pc might be what I should do since I have problems with DHT....

PC is a strong 5 ar inhibitor

Novel actions of progesterone: what we know today and what will be the scenario in the future?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22775208

Wow, check this out:
http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/hormo...z37nPCJ5R3

Scroll down to the reference section.....

Men & Progesterone
Why some men use progesterone:

Men need it to make testosterone and for the adrenal glands to make cortisone
Men with BPH (swelling of the prostate) and other male related problems report that they experience some relief with progesterone cream
Progesterone has NO feminizing characteristics
Men report that it helps them with complexion and increases energy
It is believed to help balance the estrogens that build in a man's body
because progesterone levels drop, estradiol levels rise, and testosterone changes in form in older men
Adding progesterone back into the body helps restore normal inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase, thus preventing testosterone from changing into dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which stimulates proliferation of prostate cells
If men have low progesterone levels their estradiol levels can increase. This increase can lead to cancer of the prostate, just as it leads to breast and uterine cancer in women.

http://www.vienuetestosterone.com/refere...terone.asp

So it's the Opposite, and helps Inhibit 5ar...?

[Larana]

Red Clover has similer effects than Fenugreek?

[EvaMarie]

Yes BUT progesterone also downregulates E receptors at least in women or bio males with a female hormonal balance But Im talking about bio identical oral P caps that would be much stronger than PC cream...

How that pertains to NBE and bio males though I donno

I do know despite having normal but no doubt lowered T levels and normal levels of E at least on a blood test I also had a good start with breast growth and feminization on NBE

[Larana]

Another question Lotus This is not work for me the best. :S:

My testo blocker seems week-> Licorice
My sex drive is relatively "to be" still,and the breast/butt development very slowly so far. I have swollen areolas for a week.And my butt grew a little. That's all.

The next that i take:

WP 2X vegetarian capsules
LC 1X (450 mg on second days and 2 days off after 10 days)
PM 2X 500 mg (in this time)
I leave Maca becouse my sex drive will be stronger,i can't feel the change,maybe Pc will be the soution)

I think the problem is that: I am young (26 years old) this way my testosterone level is high.
Perhaps it needs to increse the Lc Dosage(or testo blocker)(yes i know this is dangerous)
or Will i try beside menta or sp / instead of menta or sp higher dosage?

[Lotus]

Yes BUT progesterone also downregulates E receptors at least in women or bio males with a female hormonal balance But Im talking about bio identical oral P caps that would be much stronger than PC cream...

How that pertains to NBE and bio males though I donno

I do know despite having normal but no doubt lowered T levels and normal levels of E at least on a blood test I also had a good start with breast growth and feminization on NBE

Hi Eva,

Actually its reported to up-regulates E receptors. There's 3 kinds of PR, however PRA and PRB are most relevant over PRC. I'm familiar with the caps being reported stronger, and I'm also happy for ya!.

E upregulates expression of PR in the MCF-7 breast cancer cell line.21
Progesterone Receptor Isoform Functions in Normal Breast Development and Breast Cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...po=6.86275

Expression of progesterone receptor isoforms A and B is differentially regulated by estrogen in different breast cancer cell lines.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11948015

[Lotus]

Red Clover has similer effects than Fenugreek?

I haven't heard that, where's that from?

[Lotus]

Another question Lotus This is not work for me the best. :S:

My testo blocker seems week-> Licorice
My sex drive is relatively "to be" still,and the breast/butt development very slowly so far. I have swollen areolas for a week.And my butt grew a little. That's all.

The next that i take:

WP 2X vegetarian capsules
LC 1X (450 mg on second days and 2 days off after 10 days)
PM 2X 500 mg (in this time)
I leave Maca becouse my sex drive will be stronger,i can't feel the change,maybe Pc will be the soution)

I think the problem is that: I am young (26 years old) this way my testosterone level is high.
Perhaps it needs to increse the Lc Dosage(or testo blocker)(yes i know this is dangerous)
or Will i try beside menta or sp / instead of menta or sp higher dosage?

I'd say it's time to up the PM and AA.