[spanky (aka Lola)]

I'm trying a somewhat new approach for me (nearly a week into it now): nothing but WP (8 droppers a day) + DIM. I am going to see if the WP alone will promote breast growth. Do you think it is foolish or a worthwhile experiment?

[Lotus]

I'm trying a somewhat new approach for me (nearly a week into it now): nothing but WP (8 droppers a day) + DIM. I am going to see if the WP alone will promote breast growth. Do you think it is foolish or a worthwhile experiment?

Nope not to me, WP was the only thing I used after stopping my program and still saw some growth. Adding Dim makes sense though, granted it increases E metabolism, which is a plus if you think about it (gets rid of the bad E 16-hydroxyestrogen) So I'd say good move, keep us updated.

[tanysquirrel]

I'm trying a somewhat new approach for me (nearly a week into it now): nothing but WP (8 droppers a day) + DIM. I am going to see if the WP alone will promote breast growth. Do you think it is foolish or a worthwhile experiment?

Nope not to me, WP was the only thing I used after stopping my program and still saw some growth. Adding Dim makes sense though, granted it increases E metabolism, which is a plus if you think about it (gets rid of the bad E 16-hydroxyestrogen) So I'd say good move, keep us updated.

sorry for ignorance, but what is dim? and there is bad estrogen??? i have ssooooo much to learn...

[tanysquirrel]

dim side effects;

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1049-DIINDOLYLMETHANE.aspx?activeIngredientId=1049&activeIngredientName=DIINDOLYLMETHANE

http://www.livestrong.com/article/323870...upplement/

http://www.superfoods-scientific-researc...fects.html

[Lotus]

I'm trying a somewhat new approach for me (nearly a week into it now): nothing but WP (8 droppers a day) + DIM. I am going to see if the WP alone will promote breast growth. Do you think it is foolish or a worthwhile experiment?

Nope not to me, WP was the only thing I used after stopping my program and still saw some growth. Adding Dim makes sense though, granted it increases E metabolism, which is a plus if you think about it (gets rid of the bad E 16-hydroxyestrogen) So I'd say good move, keep us updated.

sorry for ignorance, but what is dim? and there is bad estrogen??? i have ssooooo much to learn...

From your link,

Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a compound derived from the digestion of indole-3-carbinol (I3C), found in cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli, Brussels sprouts, and cabbage. On average 10-20 percent of I3C is metabolized to DIM. When you chew raw or lightly cooked cruciferous vegetables, plant enzymes are activated, which allows Diindolylmethane (DIM) to enter your body.


The most active dietary indole is in cruciferous vegetables, a healthy stimulus for the useful metabolism of estrogen in women and men. When Diindolylmethane (DIM) increases the “good” estrogen metabolites, there is a simultaneous reduction in the levels of “bad” estrogen metabolites. Research has shown “4-hydroxy” and “16-hydroxy” estrogens to be promoters of inflammation and impact the normal growth of cells. These bad estrogen metabolites are responsible for many of estrogen’s undesirable actions in women and men, including further unwanted weight gain, breast cancer in women.

Good estrogens 2-hydroxy help maintain healthful levels of the catecholamine hormones that specifically stimulate enzymes in fat cells to release stored fat for energy. T

Diindolylmethane is the key to eliminating unwanted estrogen in men. Diindolylmethan (DIM) helps to eliminate active estrogen from the male body by promoting its conversion into the “good” metabolites. Estrogen metabolism slows as men age, especially when coupled with obesity and regular alcohol use. Men using DIM can minimize or avoid accelerating their testosterone metabolism, especially the unwanted conversion of testosterone into estrogen. Diindolylmethane demonstrates an anti-androgenic effect in prostate cancer by inhibiting effects of dihydrotestosterone (DHT), likely by directly competing for DHT at the androgen receptor. In 2007, the “National Cancer Institute” reported that men who consumed one cruciferous vegetable a week reduces prostate cancer risks by 52%. Supplementation with diindolylmethane resulted in reports of improved prostate function based on reduced nighttime urination in symptomatic older men.

read more : http://www.superfoods-scientific-researc...z3Akjc1D8U

[Larana]

I have disapperead for a little time.How do you do?

What do you think about The SUN MOON China Ganoderma Capsules. 60X 300 Mg,Serving size:3X2 a day..

[Lotus]

This article is pretty interesting, it's slightly modified from its original text to make sense for NBE. Imo it's still missing a few components to make sense for bio-males on NBE or HRT. Anybody care to take a guess what those components might be?.


" Prolactin is normaly caused by progestins, but can also be caused by dht, how?
For example, it is currently understood that when testosterone enters the cell cytoplasm it is subsequently converted to the more "active" androgen, dihydrotestosterone, DHT, by reduction at the 5alpha position, this is normal. Dihydrotestosterone is then either bound to a cytoplasmic "receptor" protein Rc, or is further metabolized to either 5alpha-androstane-3alpha,17beta-diol or 5alpha-androstane-3beta,17beta-diol ,DIOL. The binding of DHT to its cytoplasmic receptor protein results in translocation of the steroid-receptor complex into the nucleus where presumably the complex dissociates and DHT exerts its androgenic effects.

The transport of DHT to the nucleus can also result from the conversion of testosterone to DHT by nuclear membrane-bound 5alpha-reductase. Prolactin augmentation of DHT effects is envisioned as resulting from interaction of prolactin with its receptor, which due to the large size of the prolactin molecule is probably located in or on the plasma membrane.

Large amounts of androgens look for a transporter so that it can bind to the androgen receptors, so it uses prolactin which has a high affinity to cytoplasmic receptor protein, allowing the androgens, testosterone, to be carried and allowing them to convert to dht, only problem is prolactin hormone or luteotropic hormone is synthesised and secreted by sex binding lactotrope cells in the adenohypophysis (anterior pituitary gland, And this gland now produces more prolactin to help deal with the large amount of testosterone circulating that hasn't bound to estrogen or androgen receptors.)

So more prolactin is produced to find a receptor, this excess prolactin triggers a process that fills the breast with milk via a process called lactogenesis, in men however it causes a distinct enlargment of the mammary gland and can even cause a man to lactate.

[Lotus]

I have disapperead for a little time.How do you do?

What do you think about The SUN MOON China Ganoderma Capsules. 60X 300 Mg,Serving size:3X2 a day..

I haven't tried it, do you have a link?

[Larana]

Yes of course:

It needs to this translator
http://www.egeszsegplazabudapest.hu/daga...szula-60db

[Lotus]

Yes of course:

It needs to this translator
http://www.egeszsegplazabudapest.hu/daga...szula-60db

I'll need a little help lol, it's probably easier for you to translate the description, I tried and it didn't turn out for me.