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(01-11-2014, 09:16 PM)transgender newbie Wrote:  what would happen if I take MACA with NBE?

Could be a good choice for you,

Stamina
Often referred to as “Andean ginseng,” maca root has a long history of use for increasing stamina and strength. Drugs.com notes that while these benefits have not been proven, athletes have used maca in place of anabolic steroids for this purpose. MSKCC explains that studies in rats found it improved their endurance.

Toxicity and Dosage
Animal and in vitro studies indicate maca root has demonstrated low toxicity, meaning it is probably a generally safe herb. Standardized therapeutic dosages have not been established however. Most studies have used between 1,500 mg and 3,000 mg daily. Drugs.com notes that most manufacturers recommend 450 mg daily taken with food. Adverse reactions have not been reported.

Warnings
MSKCC notes little information exists on how maca metabolizes in the body. The way herbs metabolize can affect other medications you might use. Drugs.com warns against use of this herb if you have thyroid conditions; one if its components can trigger reduced thyroid hormone production.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/260315...t-for-men/
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Genistein and Quercetin, two troubling herbs that don't belong in NBE, which is in about 80% of NBE herbs. (Explains alot).

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Genistein (GEN), a soy isoflavone, stimulates growth of estrogen-dependent human tumor cells (MCF-7)

Dietary genistein negates the inhibitory effect of tamoxifen on growth of estrogen - dependent cancer.
Abstract
The use of dietary isoflavone supplements by postmenopausal women with breast cancer is increasing. We investigated interactions between the soy isoflavone, genistein, and an antiestrogen, tamoxifen (TAM), on the growth of estrogen (E)-dependent breast cancer (MCF-7) cells implanted in ovariectomized athymic mice. We hypothesized that weakly estrogenic genistein negate/overwhelm the inhibitory effect of TAM on the growth of E-dependent breast tumors. Six treatment groups were used: control ©; 0.25 mg estradiol (E2) implant (E); E2 implant + 2.5 mg TAM implant (2.5 TE); E2 implant + 2.5 mg TAM implant + 1000 ppm genistein (2.5 TEG); E2 implant + 5 mg TAM implant (5 TE), and E2 implant +5 mg TAM implant +1000 ppm genistein (5 TEG). Treatment with TAM (2.5 TE and 5 TE) suppressed E2-stimulated MCF-7 tumor growth in ovariectomized athymic mice. Dietary genistein negated/overwhelmed the inhibitory effect of TAM on MCF-7 tumor growth, lowered E2 level in plasma, and increased expression of E-responsive genes (e.g., pS2, PR, and cyclin D1). Therefore, caution is warranted for postmenopausal women consuming dietary genistein while on TAM therapy for E-responsive breast cancer.

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Phytoestrogens inhibit aromatase but not 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (HSD) type 1 in human granulosa-luteal cells: evidence for FSH induction of 17beta-HSD.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12615812
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Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Studies using purified enzyme preparations, placental microsomes or cell lines have shown that certain phytoestrogens can inhibit the enzymes that convert androgens to estrogens, namely aromatase and 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (HSD) type 1 and type 5. The study aim was to investigate the effects of selected phytoestrogens on aromatase and 17beta-HSD type 1 activity in primary cultures of human granulosa-luteal (GL) cells.
METHODS AND RESULTS:
GL cells, cultured for 48 h in medium containing 5% fetal calf serum and for a further 24 h in serum-free medium with or without hFSH or hCG, were exposed to steroid substrates during the last 1-4 h of the experiment. The production of progesterone in the presence of pregnenolone or estradiol synthesis from androstenedione, estrone or testosterone showed dose- and time-dependent increases. Whilst hCG priming had no effect on progesterone production, FSH priming induced mean 68 and 56% increases in the production of estradiol from androstenedione (A-dione) and estrone respectively, but had no significant effect on the metabolism of testosterone to estradiol. None of the phytoestrogens investigated had any acute effects on enzyme activity. In contrast, when GL cells were exposed to the compounds for 24 h prior to exposure to steroid substrates for 4 h, 10 micro mol/l apigenin and zearalenone significantly inhibited aromatase activity, whilst biochanin A and quercetin had no effect. None of the phytoestrogens inhibited FSH-induced 17beta-HSD type 1 activity, and only quercetin significantly inhibited progesterone production.
CONCLUSIONS:
The inability of phytoestrogens to acutely inhibit steroidogenic enzymes in human GL cells (as has been shown in cell-free models) suggests that they are either rapidly metabolized to relatively inactive compounds or that the high enzyme activity in human GL cells masks any inhibitory effects of the compounds at the concentration tested.

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The phytoestrogen quercetin impairs steroidogenesis and angiogenesis in swine granulosa cells in vitro.
Santini SE1, Basini G, Bussolati S, Grasselli F.
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Abstract
Experimental evidence documents that nutritional phytoestrogens may interact with reproductive functions but the exact mechanism of action is still controversial. Since quercetin is one of the main flavonoids in livestock nutrition, we evaluated its possible effects on cultured swine granulosa cell proliferation, steroidogenesis, and redox status. Moreover, since angiogenesis is essential for follicle development, the effect of the flavonoid on Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor output by granulosa cells was also taken into account. Our data evidence that quercetin does not affect granulosa cell growth while it inhibits progesterone production and modifies estradiol 17beta production in a dose-related manner. Additionally, the flavonoid interferes with the angiogenic process by inhibiting VEGF production as well as by altering redox status. Since steroidogenesis and angiogenesis are strictly involved in follicular development, these findings appear particularly relevant, pointing out a possible negative influence of quercetin on ovarian physiology. Therefore, the possible reproductive impact of the flavonoid should be carefully considered in animal nutrition.
PMID: 19704917 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] PMCID: PMC2693932 Free PMC Article
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(01-11-2014, 10:08 PM)Lotus Wrote:  
(01-11-2014, 09:16 PM)transgender newbie Wrote:  what would happen if I take MACA with NBE?

Could be a good choice for you,

Stamina
Often referred to as “Andean ginseng,” maca root has a long history of use for increasing stamina and strength. Drugs.com notes that while these benefits have not been proven, athletes have used maca in place of anabolic steroids for this purpose. MSKCC explains that studies in rats found it improved their endurance.

Toxicity and Dosage
Animal and in vitro studies indicate maca root has demonstrated low toxicity, meaning it is probably a generally safe herb. Standardized therapeutic dosages have not been established however. Most studies have used between 1,500 mg and 3,000 mg daily. Drugs.com notes that most manufacturers recommend 450 mg daily taken with food. Adverse reactions have not been reported.

Warnings
MSKCC notes little information exists on how maca metabolizes in the body. The way herbs metabolize can affect other medications you might use. Drugs.com warns against use of this herb if you have thyroid conditions; one if its components can trigger reduced thyroid hormone production.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/260315...t-for-men/


If I take Maca with NBE , will It stop growth breast or not?
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(01-11-2014, 11:03 PM)transgender newbie Wrote:  
(01-11-2014, 10:08 PM)Lotus Wrote:  
(01-11-2014, 09:16 PM)transgender newbie Wrote:  what would happen if I take MACA with NBE?

Could be a good choice for you,

Stamina
Often referred to as “Andean ginseng,” maca root has a long history of use for increasing stamina and strength. Drugs.com notes that while these benefits have not been proven, athletes have used maca in place of anabolic steroids for this purpose. MSKCC explains that studies in rats found it improved their endurance.

Toxicity and Dosage
Animal and in vitro studies indicate maca root has demonstrated low toxicity, meaning it is probably a generally safe herb. Standardized therapeutic dosages have not been established however. Most studies have used between 1,500 mg and 3,000 mg daily. Drugs.com notes that most manufacturers recommend 450 mg daily taken with food. Adverse reactions have not been reported.

Warnings
MSKCC notes little information exists on how maca metabolizes in the body. The way herbs metabolize can affect other medications you might use. Drugs.com warns against use of this herb if you have thyroid conditions; one if its components can trigger reduced thyroid hormone production.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/260315...t-for-men/


If I take Maca with NBE , will It stop growth breast or not?


No, It's rich in zinc and copper, good for fertility, although make sure your thyroid is functioning properly. It's not proven to have androgens.
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is there any herb like MACA for sexual libido and fertily?
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(02-11-2014, 12:44 AM)transgender newbie Wrote:  is there any herb like MACA for sexual libido and fertily?

That's what maca does already, but L-arginine does that too. Maca has the plant sterols, campesterol, stigmasterol, beta-sitosterol, which inhibits 5 alpha reductase, aromatase, and estrogen.
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if I take MACA, will it conflict any herb like WP, estrogen herb since it inhibits 5 alpha reductase, aromatase, and estrogen.
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(02-11-2014, 03:00 AM)transgender newbie Wrote:  if I take MACA, will it conflict any herb like WP, estrogen herb since it inhibits 5 alpha reductase, aromatase, and estrogen.

Imo, yes!!!, either people are unaware of this, or choose to ignore it.
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will this work or not?

http://www.ainterolherbs.com/ainterolsbu...p-127.html
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(02-11-2014, 03:13 AM)transgender newbie Wrote:  will this work or not?

http://www.ainterolherbs.com/ainterolsbu...p-127.html

Has the same properties:

BSC contains phytosterols (ß-sitosterol, campesterol, stigmasterol).

Plant sterols are just about in every herb out there. Take a look here, this is quite a complete list:

More Than You Ever Wanted to Know About Plant Estrogens - See more at: http://www.greenbush.net/morthanyouev.ht...O3VtL.dpuf

So you want breast grow and retain function right?, that means no feminization correct?.
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