[Lotus]

Hops or Red Clover...I'm undecided between them >.< I really want to try Doll's program but tweaked a bit

This was an interesting study, first I've seen of it.

Hops reduces estrogens. Hops beer was able to reduce aromatase synthesis activity, but no direct effect of hops on aromatase shown. Effect of hop (Humulus lupulus L.) flavonoids on aromatase (Estrogen synthase) activity

I've tried hops, it didn't work for me, I even tried it as a tea, which was god awful. WP can work as an phytoestrogen (but not as a main source) with GG (genetic girls) T isn't produced in significant amounts, it's just like E being produced GM (genetic males), not in significant amounts.

Prolactin along with progesterone produce side branching, while E produces outward growth. Obviously, a missed growth spurt in puberty stalled the production along the way for smaller breasted women.

Good thought though. Red clover, yeah I dunno, (I've tried that too). How about fennel and fenugreek to start?, those would hit the targets you're aiming at, of course it's your decision.

• FENUGREEK- Prolactin stimulate, increases production of estrogen, phytoestrogen, adaptogen
  

FENUGREEK- Moderate Interaction

• FENNEL-Promotes milk production, nutrient rich for NBE growth, stimulates the growth of breast tissue

FENNEL -Moderate Interaction

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Ok I'm just gonna throw this out there about butt growth, hips too. A phytoestrogen cream works, the source (anybody's choice in phyto's actually, preferably starting with an extract mixed with a carrier oil). My choice was PM extract mixed with vitamin E oil, or coconut oil.

[The First Aria]

I just started Pumpkin Seed on your suggestion Lotus. I am going to measure tomorrow, I know 3 days is not enough to really tell yet but it does give me a base point to start with.

I usually measure about every 10 - 14 days.

[Lotus]

I just started Pumpkin Seed on your suggestion Lotus. I am going to measure tomorrow, I know 3 days is not enough to really tell yet but it does give me a base point to start with.

I usually measure about every 10 - 14 days.

ia, please give us a heads up on any effects, especially for the 2 day shadow lol.

[WannaBePearShaped]

I believe I'm going to try the WP and PSO combo but as for fenugreek,it does sound good but I heard that it makes you smell like maple syrup?Yeah I don't think I want that...Maybe I'll take Red Clover?

[WannaBePearShaped]

But I believe Red Clover inhibits aromatase?Hmm....I think I'll look into fenugreek.

[WannaBePearShaped]

By the way,how much growth did you get from the PM extract and Coconut/vitamin E?

[Lotus]

Inhibiting aromatase is used to battle breast cancers, So it does has its benefits.

Biochanin A is an isoflavone isolated from red clover (Trifolium pratense), and is a commercially available nutraceutical for women suffering from postmenopausal symptoms. Isoflavones resemble the structure of oestrogen, and display agonistic and antagonistic interactions with the oestrogen receptor. Overexposure of oestrogen is a major contributing factor in the development of breast cancer, and cytochrome P450 (CYP) 19 enzyme, or aromatase, catalyses the reaction converting androgen to oestrogen.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2984117/

I'll be covering more about the relationship of phytoestrogens and aromatase. The one draw back to red clover is the reports of sterility, which was done on farm animals. At present, human study's are lacking though (on sterilty).

Yeah I dunno, I thinks it's a little over 4 cup sizes in 2 years, you can look, it's over there in the Genetic Male section under personal programs.

[WannaBePearShaped]

But wouldn't that make the White Peony less effective?

[Lotus]

But wouldn't that make the White Peony less effective?

Yes, RC would inhibit WP. Some phytoestrogens inhibit E, Pueraria Mirifica does too. That's why I suggested FG and fennel, but!!, FG has some free T to it, that's why BB's take it, which should still benefit with WP.

For example although Saw Palmetto is not a phyto it has plant sterols, which act on progesterone receptors, an action that causes a reduction in estrogen levels.

Even Maca has plant sterols. The amounts in most cases doesn't affect NBE too much, unless massive doses are taken, then yes it would inhibit. You're finding out that its not as easy to find the right plan, but asking questions first is the way to go about it.


http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/ph...s/sterols/

[WannaBePearShaped]

I think I'll just have to get over the maple smell lol because Fenugreek fits the best.I think I'm going to do FG,WP and PSO with Maca as a combonation.Thanks for narrowing it down to me and explaining it Lotus!I appreciate it.