I read a lot of stuff on here and while I don't have the time to thoroughly study the content on this site as I wish I had time to do so, I do notice that BO seems to give you quicker results and is a fraction of the price of PM. Is what I read and see true in terms of effectiveness? Anyone care to weigh in on it who have used both PM and BO separately and have insight to offer.
I bought PM but now am thinking I should have bought BO an gotten 2 for the price of 1 pm.

From what I understand BO is serious business. I wouldn't recommend unless you are sure about being transgender. I'm sticking with PM and focusing primarily on breast growth as I try to work out my gender issues. I may try out BO in the future, or maybe not.

I agree with Josephine as well. From what I understand, BO will over load most androgens and confuse the body about the base sex. In effect rewiring the body.

yeah i have read that BO unlike other phyto's or herbal estro's it is irreversible business and can actually re program the endocrine system hormonally to work as a woman, even far after you quit taking it, given you've taken it long enough. And that any effects lil to small are absolutely irreversible.
I took it earlier this year about 8 pills a day of Swansons as I wanted fast results and thought it was safer than PM took it for a month and quit when testicular pain was too much to bare and my testes have remained the same size as well as semen content being cloudier than whiter. Used to be thick and white now its just cloudy and not so much. Hoping I didn't do too much damage as I'd like to have kids possibly one day but I like you am sticking to PM till I figure out my gender issues

PM is strong too, but there is something about BO that makes me shudder. I have been using PM just short of 3 months now, and I get dull testicular pains, but nothing unmanageable.

Since BO works on the "like heals like" principle (whatever that means) I've often wondered what taking something like bovine testicle would do and if it would reverse/offset BO's effect. Any thoughts?

Hmmmm, that is a GREAT question. I hope Sammie, or Lotus checks here. They would probably be the ones that might know.

Since BO works on the "like heals like" principle (whatever that means) I've often wondered what taking something like bovine testicle would do and if it would reverse/offset BO's effect. Any thoughts?

I probably wasn't supposed to laugh.... but I nearly knocked my head off my desk when I busted out laughing! I'll blame the pills!

yeah i have read that BO unlike other phyto's or herbal estro's it is irreversible business and can actually re program the endocrine system hormonally to work as a woman, even far after you quit taking it, given you've taken it long enough. And that any effects lil to small are absolutely irreversible.
I took it earlier this year about 8 pills a day of Swansons as I wanted fast results and thought it was safer than PM took it for a month and quit when testicular pain was too much to bare and my testes have remained the same size as well as semen content being cloudier than whiter. Used to be thick and white now its just cloudy and not so much. Hoping I didn't do too much damage as I'd like to have kids possibly one day but I like you am sticking to PM till I figure out my gender issues

But everything I've read said BO was only irreversible after 6 months. You took for 1 month and your testicles never went back to the way they were? Did it permanently affect your erections as well?

my understand is if you worry about irreversible damage you should never try BO at begining