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(18-11-2014, 08:38 PM)iaboy Wrote:  So..... Estriol is the best one to use then? Other than PM, is there any herbal way to get it?

well, some food sources are broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, Rolleyes

ia, ok if I take the long way around this?, Big Grin

It is now known that estrogens exert their end-organ effect by activating a complex intracellular mechanism. Tissues which respond to estrogen possess intracytoplasmic proteins (receptors) that preferentially bind specific steroids.

For instance, a cell from the uterus will possess 5000–15,000 estrogen receptors whereas a cell from the spleen will have none. These receptors recognize estrogens by their three dimensional and chemical characteristics and bind it with high affinity (KD =10-10), specificity, and saturability.

The estrogen molecules present in the circulation are relatively loosely bound to intravascular carrier proteins (sex-steroid-binding globulin [SBG]) (KD = 10-8) or to albumin. In excess of 95% of the estrogen in the circulation is found in the bound form. The estrogen readily diffuses across the cell membrane in its active free form due to a concentration and a binding gradient. The estrogen molecule is relatively small (molecular weight is 300) and lipophilic and probably passes through the cell membrane by simple diffusion.

Once in the cell, the estrogen is promptly bound to the intracellular (intracytoplasmic) receptor protein, which then undergoes a series of complex spatial changes prior to intranuclear transport. This nuclear transport occurs within 30–45 minutes after the target tissue is exposed to estrogen. The following system of nuclear interactions between receptor and DNA is a model that has been proposed by McCarty.3 The activated receptor–estrogen complex then nonspecifically binds to the DNA and protein of dispersed chromosomes (euchromatin) and stimulates acetylation of the histone protein.

This acetylation of the histones in nucleosomes causes the nucleosome to “open up” and expose specific DNA segments for transcription. The “estrogen message” is transcribed into new messenger RNA which then migrates back into the cytoplasm and activates various cellular processes including new protein synthesis. The now “freed” receptor protein is probably recycled back into the cytoplasm for further use.

The estrogen receptor recognizes a molecule as being “estrogen” if its size, three-dimensional configuration, and charge are similar to the parent molecule. Therefore, the nonsteroidal synthetic estrogens may not resemble the “prototype” estrogen (estradiol-17β) on paper diagrams but are very similar in shape and other properties as seen by the cellular receptor. Estrogen receptors are perhaps the determinants of potency for estrogenic substances.

The estrogen receptors preferentially bind estradiol over estriol (2x) and estrone (3x).5 This receptor also discriminates among the estrogens by binding estradiol within the cellular nucleus longer than the weaker estrogens estriol and estrone.

Therefore, estradiol is the most potent of the natural estrogens probably because of the greater affinity and duration of its receptor-binding compared with the other available estrogens. Receptors for estrogen and other steroid hormones can now be accurately quantified and studied. Estrogen in physiologic concentrations stimulates the synthesis of estrogen receptors and of progesterone and testosterone receptors.

Progesterone and testosterone, however, inhibit estrogen receptors. Progesterone inhibits its own receptor population in the secretory phase of human endometrium. Thus, it is apparent that for estrogen to bind and influence a tissue, the specific estrogen receptors must be present. The potency of a particular estrogen in a tissue roughly parallels and is probably dependent on the quantity of the estrogen receptor in the cells of that tissue. Studies with estrogen receptors in breast cancers are being successfully utilized to predict the responsiveness of these tumors to hormonal manipulation.

http://www.glowm.com/section_view/item/2.../value/237

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The adrenal gland is the primary source of estrogen in postmenopausal women, and estrone is the dominant estrogen, the E2:E1 ratio being reversed after menopause. In comparison to those of cycling women, estrone levels are reduced to low follicular phase levels. There is an insignificant contribution to the estrone pool from estradiol conversion, ovarian estrone secretion, and conversion of ovarian androstenedione

However, virtually all the total estrone production can be accounted for by peripheral conversion of androstenedione in adipose tissue and liver. There is a strong correlation with age and obesity in the conversion efficiency of androstenedione to El. The nonobese postmenopausal woman has an average androstenedione to E1 conversion rate of 2.7%, compared with 5.1% for the obese postmenopausal patient with uterine bleeding secondary to increased endogenous estrogen.
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So, I guess the answer is broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage then. BOY, am I tired. ROFL. You'd make a great politician Lotus. hehehehehe
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(19-11-2014, 06:16 AM)iaboy Wrote:  So, I guess the answer is broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage then. BOY, am I tired. ROFL. You'd make a great politician Lotus. hehehehehe

Hell yeah!, can you say filibuster?. Tongue the beltway would never be the same. I'd even make it an open mic lasting till we the people had our say!. Wink psa over, now back to nbe and your regular scheduled breast growth. Big Grin
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I thought it would be interesting to chart breast growth if the results were put on a spreadsheet. These results are only from when I measured and posted the results, maybe I'll put together the corresponding programs to a graph and what gave the biggest growth. (maybe not lol, it's a lot a work). Rolleyes


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Cup size by inches
____|_7 3/4_|_8 1/4_|_8 3/4_|_9 1/4_|_9 3/4_|
_36_|___A___|___B___|___C___|_______|_______|
_38_|_______|___A___|___B___|___C___|_______|
_40_|_______|_______|___A___|___B___|___C___|
Sfem's chart

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Past programs
(22-07-2014, 09:54 PM)Lotus Wrote:  1st program,
FG, RC, SP, NR
2nd was
PM, PC, Spearmint
3rd
BO, CS, PC, GH, HOPS (limited though)
4th
PM, FG, Spearmint, Hops, PC,
5th
PM/BO, FG, Hops, PC, spearmint
6th
PM, FG, LR, NR, Hops, PABA,
Final
PM (extract), WP, LR, PC, Dandelion
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The massages I do,

Massage
1) While in a seated position, arms rested at your side and hands on your thighs.
2) Now raise your arms (elbows) as high as you can while keeping your hands on your thighs.
3) Then slowly squeeze your arms back down to your sides while adding pressure.(As if you had a ball under your arms and your simulating squeezing that ball as hard as you can on the way back down)
4) Do 3 sets of 10 ea. (or more if you can)
(Use a ball if it works better) Wink

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Another massage
Also been working this Breast massage/exercise:
* With your hand grab your breast from your side, pull it towards the center of your chest, now hold and flex for 2-3 seconds or longer if you can, repeat up to 10 times!
* Try it with your palms pushing your breasts towards the center, as if your trying to touch your nipples together, now interlock your fingers together, using your hands squeeze like a cupping motion, also flex your pec's (tighten) at the same or alternate hand/pecs....up to 10 times.

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Training the pectorals, the pectoralis major and minor (the chest "pecs") are the muscles that lie directly underneath the the breasts. As these muscles get bigger, they can push breast tissue upwards and outwards, providing visual volume, and resulting in a "perkier" appearance.

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I've been doing my own version of an Isometric chest contraction, but for the purpose of demonstration, follow the first part of the video. This can be done anytime, standing or sitting, that's what is so perfect about it, no weights or mats.

No equipment needed chest exercise
http://youtube.com/watch?v=geOC7hCs930&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgeOC7hCs930
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Is this suppose to be a different way of measuring breast volume vs. cup size?

Cup size by inches
____|_7 3/4_|_8 1/4_|_8 3/4_|_9 1/4_|_9 3/4_|
_36_|___A___|___B___|___C___|_______|_______|
_38_|_______|___A___|___B___|___C___|_______|
_40_|_______|_______|___A___|___B___|___C___|
Sfem's chart
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Before I purchase anything...I just want to ask a few questions....I kinda want to just buy White Peony Extract and PSO without a phytoestrogen....If I take WP and PSO in slightly high doses,will that make White Peony Count as a phytoestrogen?And if I take it with Maca,will that cause a synergistic effect?I was going to buy Fenugreek but I can't stand the smell(I went to a store to smell it....I could smell it through the bottle....I can't deal.)
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(21-11-2014, 09:38 PM)iaboy Wrote:  Is this suppose to be a different way of measuring breast volume vs. cup size?

Cup size by inches
____|_7 3/4_|_8 1/4_|_8 3/4_|_9 1/4_|_9 3/4_|
_36_|___A___|___B___|___C___|_______|_______|
_38_|_______|___A___|___B___|___C___|_______|
_40_|_______|_______|___A___|___B___|___C___|
Sfem's chart

Yes, it's a great tracking tool, imo you can keep track of each side. Volume changes throughout the month, so accurate record keeping is ideal (gawd I sound a boobie auditor, lol).


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Would be great, if I could keep in my mind, whatever "landmarks" on my chest. I mean, the nipples are obvious, but as you say mine tend to deviate by a 1/4 inch from day to day it seems. (over all bust measurement)
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(21-11-2014, 09:49 PM)WannaBePearShaped Wrote:  Before I purchase anything...I just want to ask a few questions....I kinda want to just buy White Peony Extract and PSO without a phytoestrogen....If I take WP and PSO in slightly high doses,will that make White Peony Count as a phytoestrogen?And if I take it with Maca,will that cause a synergistic effect?I was going to buy Fenugreek but I can't stand the smell(I went to a store to smell it....I could smell it through the bottle....I can't deal.)

Well, if you intend to use your own natural production of estrogen in combination with WP and PSO we can't be sure of the outcome unless you test before and after. Chances are that tests are not always possible, key indicators you can monitor is mood, body and facial hair growth for androgens, and your emotions (empathy, shedding a tear or two) for estrogen levels (there are other signs too).

WP and PSO aren't specific enough of "how much phytoestrogens are in them". Both have more in common in having anti-androgens protection, (e.g. beta-sisterol, amongst others).

Maca also has beta-sisterol too, so you might end up with a balance leaning towards estrogens because of those three, which could work. I'll give you an example of a similar situation, (using myself). I cut back on using anti-androgens because I wanted to use them in converting T to E by using such products like WP and PSO.

Pumpkin seed oil is rich in natural phytoestrogens and studies suggest it may lead to a significant increase in good “HDL” cholesterol along with decreases in blood pressure, hot flashes, headaches, joint pains and other menopausal symptoms in postmenopausal women.
http://www.undergroundhealth.com/9-healt...kin-seeds/

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