That wonderful, Eva. In my opinion FFS is more important than SRS/GRS/GCS.

Hmm..don't agree with that! Lol to each their own. I have a sex change date this summer. ;p

Good luck with the ffs, Eva!

I would think facial hair removal is more important, let's say even if you could afford FFS (which many can not) what then?, you're still left with that battle. My concern is we're putting too much emphasis on looks, it's the inner beauty that makes a person.

What do we say to those who will never be able afford such surgeries?, better luck next time?, your outcome is bleak, or you'll never understand what it truly means to be female?.

Who gets to decide where the bar is set?, even worse........who keeps moving it lol.

I'm not knocking the decision to change ones shell. No, I don't feel left out either. I will however agree, to each their own and pray for successful outcomes.

Good luck

Thanks Lotus There is a method to this madness... Thats why I started laser and electro before I even went on HRT.... YES thats huge right there... You cant expect to really go "full time" with a beard you gotta shave and try to cover up all the time

It helps to have some thick skin thats for sure BUT I also think a realistic look at whats possible and what you can and cant live with is essential when making a decision like this from the start.... Its HARD to not have envy and jealousy towards those that are more fortunate with genetics or resources... It sure aint cheap either!!!

I guess with me I set the bar pretty high for myself and Im fortunate to have all the $$$ I need to see it through

Ideally though our fucked up "healthcare" system would cover it all though... Please dont let any hardcore "libertarians" like I used to be hear that though, Im not in the mood for the argument I used to think a lot like that but my thoughts on some things are changing.... Maybe its from living and seeing things from a female perspective

You softy, don't get all squishy on me now lol. You remember the old saying "you can take the girl out of the country" blah blah blah, my point being is I'm pretty sure you'll always be packin' heat and kicking some ass, regardless of any change, lol.

Don't worry about me, I haven't been corrupted by too many of the seven deadly sins, (ok, maybe a couple). Nowadays I draw a circle, anything outside of that cirlce I can't change, I say f*** it, and obviously inside of the circle, I have the opportunity to influence a change is so desired. One thing I am quite sure of, there isn't a category for my gender variance, and for now I'm just cisgender (hang on, lol), it goes like this: MTFTM, although I'm not naive enough to think I'm the only one with this variance. So female outside (no to makeup/heels/dress etc) keep the dude inside, present as a guy and no changes to my male indentity, confused?, so are shrinks. I'm not looking to pick a fight either, you know how I feel about you.

I think both Clara and Eva pass(I know for sure that Clara does irl since we've met, and Eva picks up guys). After you Reach that point, I feel it's more about being ok with your appearance yourself, as you hold yourself to a way higher standard than anyone else ever will. Having said that, I totally understand the feeling you get some days when you look in the mirror and see how you used to appear. I just think it's partly a mental thing...while in the other hand the difference between male and female genitalia is rather black and white!!! Hair removal is more important than either...but I guess I was taking that as a given.

I've considered FFS as well, but that will come later, if at all. Everyone I have mentioned it too tells me not to consider it rather forcefully. I don't hate the way I look, it's just a few things that bother me. I think most ggs have those too though!

Oh and Eva, Im going to Dr. chettawut. June 2nd.

Double post.

I think both Clara and Eva pass(I know for sure that Clara does irl since we've met, and Eva picks up guys). After you Reach that point, I feel it's more about being ok with your appearance yourself, as you hold yourself to a way higher standard than anyone else ever will. Having said that, I totally understand the feeling you get some days when you look in the mirror and see how you used to appear. I just think it's partly a mental thing...while in the other hand the difference between male and female genitalia is rather black and white!!! Hair removal is more important than either...but I guess I was taking that as a given.

I've considered FFS as well, but that will come later, if at all. Everyone I have mentioned it too tells me not to consider it rather forcefully. I don't hate the way I look, it's just a few things that bother me. I think most ggs have those too though!

Oh and Eva, Im going to Dr. chettawut. June 2nd.

Well congrats there, If I wasnt so sacred of going so far away for mine Id go with him I like the fact that he can get it done without genital electrolysis, OUCH!!! FUCK THAT!!!! Ive also seen a lot of positive reveiws of his work lately but Im always skeptical of BS on the net

Brassard claims to be able to get it done without that too but all of the USA docs want you to do it... That to me sounds worse than the actual SRS I dont want nobody poking around down there for 6 months KNOCK MY ASS OUT and get it over with and I'll deal with the aftermath, thanks Im comfortable with Brassard and his team though because he does have a good track record

As far as "passing" goes, its just something that has to take time I think... Once the physical part happens the mind is a whole new battle that unfortunately for me anyway doesn't come completely from within but from external validation....

Yea I've "trapped" more than a few guys It starts to suck after a while though Eventually the world around you just starts to treat you as a woman no matter how your even going about things though and It amazes me

My issue is getting to the point I dont even think about this shit so much AND eventually more comfortable with the stuff I want to keep from my old life and integrating everything

BUT "The memories remain" I have a pile of $$$ Im gonna do what I can with to see the best I can find to fix it

Of course I'll agree with "everyone", you DONT need much more FFS but I get it totally if you want it

Opps...

That wonderful, Eva. In my opinion FFS is more important than SRS/GRS/GCS.

Hmm..don't agree with that! Lol to each their own. I have a sex change date this summer. ;p

Good luck with the ffs, Eva!

I would think facial hair removal is more important, let's say even if you could afford FFS (which many can not) what then?, you're still left with that battle. My concern is we're putting too much emphasis on looks, it's the inner beauty that makes a person.

What do we say to those who will never be able afford such surgeries?, better luck next time?, your outcome is bleak, or you'll never understand what it truly means to be female?.

Who gets to decide where the bar is set?, even worse........who keeps moving it lol.

I'm not knocking the decision to change ones shell. No, I don't feel left out either. I will however agree, to each their own and pray for successful outcomes.

Good luck

Thanks Lotus There is a method to this madness... Thats why I started laser and electro before I even went on HRT.... YES thats huge right there... You cant expect to really go "full time" with a beard you gotta shave and try to cover up all the time

It helps to have some thick skin thats for sure BUT I also think a realistic look at whats possible and what you can and cant live with is essential when making a decision like this from the start.... Its HARD to not have envy and jealousy towards those that are more fortunate with genetics or resources... It sure aint cheap either!!!

I guess with me I set the bar pretty high for myself and Im fortunate to have all the $$$ I need to see it through

Ideally though our fucked up "healthcare" system would cover it all though... Please dont let any hardcore "libertarians" like I used to be hear that though, Im not in the mood for the argument I used to think a lot like that but my thoughts on some things are changing.... Maybe its from living and seeing things from a female perspective

You softy, don't get all squishy on me now lol. You remember the old saying "you can take the girl out of the country" blah blah blah, my point being is I'm pretty sure you'll always be packin' heat and kicking some ass, regardless of any change, lol.

Don't worry about me, I haven't been corrupted by too many of the seven deadly sins, (ok, maybe a couple). Nowadays I draw a circle, anything outside of that cirlce I can't change, I say f*** it, and obviously inside of the circle, I have the opportunity to influence a change is so desired. One thing I am quite sure of, there isn't a category for my gender variance, and for now I'm just cisgender (hang on, lol), it goes like this: MTFTM, although I'm not naive enough to think I'm the only one with this variance. So female outside (no to makeup/heels/dress etc) keep the dude inside, present as a guy and no changes to my male indentity, confused?, so are shrinks. I'm not looking to pick a fight either, you know how I feel about you.

Hey Lotus Im sure for you to get to where your at as far as boobage goes your OK with yourself

I think were all "walking the fence" here and every now and then one tries to check out the other side

I used to play with all that ultra fem stuff too but really Im not much into it... Im always in fem jeans and tasteful tops these days, I get EMBARRASSED as hell now to even try to get that femmed up

I hear you on "confusion" though, I still like whiskey, cigars. football, cars, tools, guns, grease and guts and YES even women My problem is integrating some very masculine parts of me with the true feminine nature

Making the body right and just giving in and finding a way to accept it all sure sure helps though

What??? You mean, you're NOT a weirdo???? ;-)
Here's how I deal with weird. Weird means different, I CERTAINLY don't want to be the SAME as everybody else!! So, when I'm called weird, I take it as a compliment!!
Someone once called comedian, Murray Roman, out of his mind. Murray said, "Well, you know what you've just done? You told me I'm out of my mind. Now, considering how much time I've spent trying to GET out of my mind, considering how much money I've spent to GET out of my mind, the fact you've just TOLD me I AM out of my mind, shows ME that MY money's well spent!!"

I just saw a piece of a video on YT where this woman is being interviewed and her voice is MUCH deeper than yours!! In another part of the same video, a MAN is being interviewed and, you're not looking at him, you'd SWEAR it was a woman talking!! So, don't be TOO hard on your voice!! It's fine! :-)

Hey I donno if its just the time on the hormones making my mind more fem, or that Im just more focused on voices now... I tune in on things most people wouldn't even think of or notice... I just hear females talk and I want to sound like that and mine just isnt where I want it, its still too low Yes I can also hear some guys that have a higher pitched voice than I do

Well I was looking for something online and I see that Dr Haben updated his web page with more info 8) http://professionalvoice.org/feminization.aspx

The info he has on smokers there is spot on... As a former heavy smoker I feel like even though Ive quit for more than 4 months now it has hindered my results... I had a VERY deep voice pre op though and now Im centered around 180-190hz... Im 2 1/2 months post op and I should be hearing my final result soon...

Honestly Im kinda disappointed, I feel like its still too deep :cry: Im waiting on a call from Dr Spiegel today to discuss my upcoming surgery and my plans for a trachea shave... Mine is really not that bad but I understand my face/neck lift will possibly make it much more visible... Im worried about it making my voice deeper though Im going to ask him for his opinion on doing a CTA in addition to what Ive already had done... He is an ENT too so Im also wondering if there's anything he thinks he could do while he's in there.... One thing about having a CTA that scares me is the scar on my throat If Dr S could do it and put the incision higher up on my chin Id probably go for that...

I donno in about two weeks I will have my 3 month post op consult with Dr Haben and see what he thinks about it and hopefully discuss any further surgical options to tweak it a bit higher... Ideally he could do it endoscopic with a laser...

Im also considering a consult with Dr Thomas in Oregon to see what he says and see if he could get me up to 200-210 hz with an endoscopic laser treatment like this...

http://voicedoctor.net/surgery/pitch/laser-vocal-cord-tuning

It IS improved but I just want more, I guess Im just a perfectionist

Im also sure I could improve it a lot with training but there is no "training" to be had around here aside from going full time

Anyway here's where its at today...

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1v370yJQqVW