[spanky (aka Lola)]

Not at all. I can follow basic chemistry. Back when Noah was scraping llama poop off his shoes, I thought I might major in chemistry in college. But before my junior year I finally committed to something else.

[Lotus]

Not at all. I can follow basic chemistry. Back when Noah was scraping llama poop off his shoes, I thought I might major in chemistry in college. But before my junior year I finally committed to something else.

Chemistry isn't easy to follow, it puts me to sleep quite honestly. If there was a FF (fast forward) option to all this I'd go through mad triple AAA batteries lol. But, no such luck in science right?, the road to find answers has many detours along the way. When you do come accross some evidence???........well, there is some satisfaction if it benefits the desired goal. If you can interpret research one can offer some analysis, and for us non-geek types?, that's not easy. I certainly appreciate when someone takes the time to post something other than llama poop.

spanky, thanks for the post.

[The First Aria]

poop is one thing... Just let them Spit on ya...... Worse than St. Bernard slobbers. LOL.... O.k, I will shut up... for a bit anyways.

[Lotus]

Ok I've got one for you, do you re bet this post, the part I highlighted is very interesting. Like I said before, HSD (hydroxysteroid dehydrogenases) operates like a light switch, it's the pathway between steroids. Like how testosterone coverts to estradiol, or estriol to estradiol, this pathway access is as important as aromatase is to testosterone.


Regulates access of 5alpha-DHT to the androgen receptor.

Abstract
Pairs of hydroxysteroid dehydrogenases (HSDs) govern ligand access to steroid receptors in target tissues and act as molecular switches. By acting as reductases or oxidases, HSDs convert potent ligands into their cognate inactive metabolites or vice versa. This pre-receptor regulation of steroid hormone action may have profound effects on hormonal response. We have identified the HSDs responsible for regulating ligand access to the androgen receptor (AR) in human prostate. Type 3 3alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (aldo-keto reductase 1C2, aka-AKR acts solely as a reductase to convert 5alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a potent ligand for the AR (K(d)=10(-11)M for the AR), to the inactive androgen 3alpha-androstanediol (K(d)=10(-6)M for the AR); while RoDH like 3alpha-HSD (a short-chain dehydrogenase/reductase (SDR)) acts solely as an oxidase to convert 3alpha-androstanediol back to 5alpha-DHT. Our studies suggest that aldo-keto reductase (AKRs) and SDRs function as reductases and oxidases, respectively, to control ligand access to nuclear receptors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17223255

[Naomiko]

I've had no luck finding white peony as a supplement. I can only seem to find teas, and I don't want to mess with teas.

You might also want to look into DIM. http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full

Hi Monica,

I ordered off amazon, Iowa Select Herbs White Peony Extract

I hope this helps.

[spanky (aka Lola)]

. . . .post something other than llama poop.

Okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUdgXnEW7_g

[The First Aria]

Hi Monica,

I ordered off amazon, Iowa Select Herbs White Peony Extract

I hope this helps.

That's what I use. I think it has helped a lot.

[Lotus]

Hi Monica,

I ordered off amazon, Iowa Select Herbs White Peony Extract

I hope this helps.

That's what I use. I think it has helped a lot.

Same here, spanky (btw, thanks for the llama, lmao) found that last year. I've tried another brand of WP but prefer this brand. Although for whole herbs the mountain rose site looks interesting. Lovely11 shared this link.

https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/catalog/herbs/bulk

[Lotus]

Previously listed are some 5 ar foods that help prevent DHT, I'll list some herbs too.

Although 11 beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (11 beta-HSD/11b-HSD) doesn't have a direct relationship with testosterone, it's inhibition affects Leydig cells (the testes), it destroys them (cells).

Herbs with 11b HSD inhibitor activity

Licorice root
Green tea
Oregano
Cilantro
Celery
Flax
there's a few others.

QUERCETIN (11-beta HSD inhibitor @ 20%)
(Evening primrose oil) 5 ar inhibitor/11 B HSD inhibtor

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3a-HSD isoforms may regulate ligand access to the androgen receptor (AR)


http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content...3.full.pdf

11b-HSD there are two isoforms: one which acts as an oxidase to eliminate active hormone; and the other which acts as a reductase to generate active hormone. It is hypothesized that the ability of HSDs to function as molecular switches and turn receptor occupancy `on' and `off' will apply to those HSDs that interconvert sex steroid hormones.

[Lotus]

Did I mention cucumbers?, if you like them there excellent for NBE. Cucumbers are strong at inhibiting 5-ar like celery. (A blended drink is great too).