[The First Aria]

Iaboy,

You wrote, "Not to be exclusionary...", but that seems to be your intent.

When I look back to when I first joined, it wasn't as simple as "I'm a man who wants breasts", or "I want to transition". It was at the beginning of a journey to an unknown destination, a process of self-discovery.

I benefited from reading the posts of everyone in those early days. I'm glad I to been able to read the perspectives of all -- from Lotus, to Flamesabers, to Doodlebug, to Abbey Drew.

We've already taken steps to differentiate and segregate ourselves by creating several topical sub-sub forums. I think that's enough.

Clara

Yours is a valid point as well. But, I think even you would concede you are jaded in your thoughts and comments. You face entirely different problems and aspirations than we mere mortal un worthy men.

There in is a good reason to have people who still need or lurk in every other thread here. INFO. But for those of us who do not wish total separation rather it be surgical or medical castration presents entirely different problems and desires. Thanks Clara, you kinda helped me get the point across.

[The First Aria]

I have voted 'No' to this idea.

I came to this site not really knowing why and spent hour after hour soaking up everything that was here and as a result started a journey which started out as a mistaken belief that this was all a sexually based fetish of mine, traversed through being a bloke who wanted boobs until the true me became clear and I am now following the path to full transition.

I needed full and free access here (and elsewhere in internet land) in order to find myself and, having benefited hugely myself, I would not wish to place the smallest obstacle in the way of those who come after.


Miranda

And I admire you for recognizing your true situation as you seen it. Who knows, maybe being a part time or as I call it "on demand/desire " CD, what I do is enough of a psychological fix for me. Or maybe you truly know what you need want better than I do. But, when it's all said and done we all need our little corner's to be with like minded peeps and not have to fear flame wars as in the past I had to endure for thinking the way, or stating the way I feel about being a part time CD.

After all, some of us just don't have a good "final filter" here on line as we do in real life. But it would be nice to chat with some one who has the same problems or outlook on this subject without fear of getting into a flame war with Feminist or Gay belligerent activism being the basis of the flame war. All that and still be a part of a great community, how bad is that?????

[Wuerstchen]

I think this thread came about as a joke I said in another thread.

I don't know if the op was thinking of excluding access to all those that have transitioned, but I would assume not. And in reality, it's not a bad idea.

The type of information for a man who just wants to grow boobs vs. someone who wants to transition is different. i.e. Those that transition go on prescription meds to achieve their goals. That's not really an option for guys who just want some boob flesh.

Sure there are some that start off thinking that they just want breasts and then go all the way through transition and surgery. But there's also plenty that do not go any further.

And the reality is, there's no one good place for info for those that stop at the breasts. No place to have discussions about how to cycle so male function is not permanently lost, what type of bra to wear to help minimize the breasts and not be obvious to others that one is wearing one (as they are still presenting themselves as men) reactions from SO's and others upon discovery of breasts, etc.

Is some of that info on the forums? Yes, but it's scattered about and littered with stuff that doesn't apply.

So, yeah, I think a sub forum aimed at those that just want breasts would be useful (or at the very least some sort of thread icon indicating it as such). I'm sure the "breast growth for genetic males" probably started off with that intention, but it seems to have become more aimed at transgendered individuals. (and please don't take that to mean they are unwelcomed or anything along those lines.)

I know some will look at it as segregation, I look at it as an easier way to find the information and community they are looking for.

Hear, hear! Excellent points! If someone on the forum should evolve to the point that they want to transition, they will find plenty of info and support here. Belonging to the sub-group that Iaboy proposes won't mean that one is excluded from consulting the rest of the forum.

[The First Aria]

I think this thread came about as a joke I said in another thread.

I don't know if the op was thinking of excluding access to all those that have transitioned, but I would assume not. And in reality, it's not a bad idea.

The type of information for a man who just wants to grow boobs vs. someone who wants to transition is different. i.e. Those that transition go on prescription meds to achieve their goals. That's not really an option for guys who just want some boob flesh.

Sure there are some that start off thinking that they just want breasts and then go all the way through transition and surgery. But there's also plenty that do not go any further.

And the reality is, there's no one good place for info for those that stop at the breasts. No place to have discussions about how to cycle so male function is not permanently lost, what type of bra to wear to help minimize the breasts and not be obvious to others that one is wearing one (as they are still presenting themselves as men) reactions from SO's and others upon discovery of breasts, etc.

Is some of that info on the forums? Yes, but it's scattered about and littered with stuff that doesn't apply.

So, yeah, I think a sub forum aimed at those that just want breasts would be useful (or at the very least some sort of thread icon indicating it as such). I'm sure the "breast growth for genetic males" probably started off with that intention, but it seems to have become more aimed at transgendered individuals. (and please don't take that to mean they are unwelcomed or anything along those lines.)

I know some will look at it as segregation, I look at it as an easier way to find the information and community they are looking for.

You hit the target, only you can put it on a reply far better on the fly than I did. So, thanks for helping me explain my intentions.

I just think, without naming names, that someone could have better control over a relative smaller section so the moderator/leader could exclude that person from the proposed new section with out all the drama and bad feeling one could develop by doing so. Sort of like a "partial ban" if a person gets too belligerent in regards to a certain set of Idea's. That same person would not necessarily be banned entirely from BN, but just from this proposed section. No muss, no fuss.

As an example... I think women in general feel discuss or fear of some men who can live in both worlds. And yet, these same women have adopted the full time use of dress slacks, short hair and men's shirts.... Which 70 yrs ago, would of been social suicide till World War 2 started, Just because they want to or can.... Where as if a bio man wears long hair and wishes to wear a skirt on a hot day or has Gynecomastia or just simply wants boobs...... He is looked on as a freak in general public situations.

But now, we are being call segregationist because we wish to have an open dialog with guys in the same frame of mind, or our women friends who can talk to us with out judgment??? Now who's being judgmental and segregationist's?

[Lotus]

iaboy,

I support this idea and will moderate it for you, (meaning any attempts to derail the new thread will be placed in the trash can). The discussion section is a good place to start this new thread, (which anybody can do). Since the interests are so varied in the genetic male section (and without exclusions), posting a thread about males wanting breast growth and not to transition isn't an issue on this side of the board. The viewer can simply ignore the thread or manage their buddy lists to ignore certain BN members.

[myboobs]

iaboy,

I support this idea and will moderate it for you, (meaning any attempts to derail the new thread will be placed in the trash can). The discussion section is a good place to start this new thread, (which anybody can do). Since the interests are so varied in the genetic male section (and without exclusions), posting a thread about males wanting breast growth and not to transition isn't an issue on this side of the board. The viewer can simply ignore the thread or manage their buddy lists to ignore certain BN members.

I don't see any problem with the thread as those who wish not to join are free to join in other threads . I can see some taking an ambrage at this , but are we not all here for boobie growth ? Some might just start at mere boobies , and later find that the path they wish to take is go further . And if so , good luck . One never knows how the journey will end and we have perfect examples on this site . So let's live and let live . It is boobies what we all want , so let's rejoice in that , and help each other out in that direction

[The First Aria]

iaboy,

I support this idea and will moderate it for you, (meaning any attempts to derail the new thread will be placed in the trash can). The discussion section is a good place to start this new thread, (which anybody can do). Since the interests are so varied in the genetic male section (and without exclusions), posting a thread about males wanting breast growth and not to transition isn't an issue on this side of the board. The viewer can simply ignore the thread or manage their buddy lists to ignore certain BN members.

Thanks Lotus, I appreciate it. Sometimes the best flame thrower's are the hardest to just ignore tho. That is why the new section should be easier to maintain by simply "un-granting" access to a few who love to incite, not for just playing "Devil's Advocate" but to ignite flame throwing wars. We all know of a few who have showed their "true colors" of intolerance and self importance.

That is why by "Invitation" I meant open to all, but quickly closed to a few after them demonstrating their inability for subjective discussion and true helpfulness.

Where as right now, the powers that be cannot take decisive quick and full ban's due to worry of loosing valuable member in other area's of this great board. Believe me I do understand this having been a Web Site Admin for about 10 yrs. on and off.

The invitation to me would be all is welcome, but like a guest in any ones home, be a gracious visitor. If not, the door to this room will be closed to provocateurs. If that is beyond the realm any of the powers that be cannot reasonably be done, then maybe this idea should be shelved??? Other wise, you , Lotus, will be spending most of your research and help times trying to maintain law and order in a desolate area of the web site.

[flamesabers]

iaboy,

I support this idea and will moderate it for you, (meaning any attempts to derail the new thread will be placed in the trash can). The discussion section is a good place to start this new thread, (which anybody can do). Since the interests are so varied in the genetic male section (and without exclusions), posting a thread about males wanting breast growth and not to transition isn't an issue on this side of the board. The viewer can simply ignore the thread or manage their buddy lists to ignore certain BN members.

Lotus,

Would you please clarify what you mean here? Do you mean you'll moderate the general discussion forum for those who want to post threads strictly pertaining to males who just want breasts (and not to transition) or do you have something else in mind?

[myboobs]

iaboy,

I support this idea and will moderate it for you, (meaning any attempts to derail the new thread will be placed in the trash can). The discussion section is a good place to start this new thread, (which anybody can do). Since the interests are so varied in the genetic male section (and without exclusions), posting a thread about males wanting breast growth and not to transition isn't an issue on this side of the board. The viewer can simply ignore the thread or manage their buddy lists to ignore certain BN members.

Thanks Lotus, I appreciate it. Sometimes the best flame thrower's are the hardest to just ignore tho. That is why the new section should be easier to maintain by simply "un-granting" access to a few who love to incite, not for just playing "Devil's Advocate" but to ignite flame throwing wars. We all know of a few who have showed their "true colors" of intolerance and self importance.

That is why by "Invitation" I meant open to all, but quickly closed to a few after them demonstrating their inability for subjective discussion and true helpfulness.

Where as right now, the powers that be cannot take decisive quick and full ban's due to worry of loosing valuable member in other area's of this great board. Believe me I do understand this having been a Web Site Admin for about 10 yrs. on and off.

The invitation to me would be all is welcome, but like a guest in any ones home, be a gracious visitor. If not, the door to this room will be closed to provocateurs. If that is beyond the realm any of the powers that be cannot reasonably be done, then maybe this idea should be shelved??? Other wise, you , Lotus, will be spending most of your research and help times trying to maintain law and order in a desolate area of the web site.

IB you under estimate lotus's abilities to monitor the forum . I have full confidence in lotus and no change is necessary .

[Lotus]

iaboy,

I support this idea and will moderate it for you, (meaning any attempts to derail the new thread will be placed in the trash can). The discussion section is a good place to start this new thread, (which anybody can do). Since the interests are so varied in the genetic male section (and without exclusions), posting a thread about males wanting breast growth and not to transition isn't an issue on this side of the board. The viewer can simply ignore the thread or manage their buddy lists to ignore certain BN members.

Lotus,

Would you please clarify what you mean here? Do you mean you'll moderate the general discussion forum for those who want to post threads strictly pertaining to males who just want breasts (and not to transition) or do you have something else in mind?

Certainly, I'll clarify.

The entire forum has been moderated for quite sometime now without noticeable interference, Eve has made it quite clear her expectations for moderation. If this specific thread concerning "males who just want to grow breasts and not transition" is created I'll moderate the attempts to derail it, (as it was the last time, I won't make that mistake again).

I might point out to all that the OP has the opportunity to steer the thread back on course, although that may seem uncomfortable for some. In my own personal I really don't see why "now" posting such a thread is a problem. Afterall, guys wanting to grow breasts is why most of us started on this forum. Offering support, encouragement for those specific interests?,........madness.

As I've said before about the varied interests in the genetic male section, at present, the ratio for guys wanting breasts and no transition to guys (gals) that have transitioned (memberships) is favoring the first group..........is that really important?, of course not, it really doesn't matter which side has a majority, there's enough room for both sides, any side really, which some sides have yet to be defined, that's the one I'm interested in.

I hope this provides an adequate explanation. Btw, iaboy thank you for offering to spare my time. Imo, tumbleweeds = desolation , not the case here.

Edit: I'm addressing the creation of a new thread. The creation of a new section is Eve's call, although I support it. I'm sure she's aware of the request.