[hannah]

Question?, how many women can grow a beard?, chin hair doesn't count as a beard. 10x more testosterone (converting to DHT too) in men takes a long time to get to female T-levels, and still at this point a male needs E2 to feminize, and that also mean taking E2 for life, even after castration. This is no walk in the park by any means for a dude. Men being cavalier about gulping handfuls of herbs (while that might be a tiny bit true lol) is otherwise, well......BS.

Well the funky in the air growing sinlge chin hair looks like a lion king simba goatee to me. And I couldnt get it out it was too flaxy..:S
Anyhow..you guys can make your prostate an estrogen producing factory I read...how can we do something comparable? and whats BS?

[hannah]

There are lots of struggling bio males too. I think it's merely easier for a male to go from flat to big. Whereas with a female flat or small often means that there is some obstacle, perhaps a hormone imbalance or metabolic disorder. Females who are already medium or big tend to have an easy time with NBE too. But many girls are here because they aren't and might very well have some health issue preventing their natural size. Males aren't.

Males also tend to be a lot more aggressive in how much they take, whereas females tend to be conservative in the amounts. And even when females are aggressive they're more likely to cause a hormone imbalance. Males often already have a good amount of progesterone but low estrogen for example, so adding pure estrogen can tend to lead to nbe where the female might need more progesterone to combine withe the estrogen or else she could get a hormone imbalance.

I think with good health and a large but balanced amounts of herbs females can do well. And plenty do. Most females with tremendous growth took several spoonfuls of fenugreek or a super strong fenugreek extract. Plus a moderate amount of other common herbs. Or took a high dose progestin BC or progesterone then added PM to that. Or were already large chested and already had high progesterone and relatively low estrogen then added PM. That's the main thing; most were already at least medium chested indicating no existing obstacles.

A simple recipe to make the chest grow crazy fast and large on any woman would be multiple bowls of brown rice a day, Depo Provera birth control (super strong progestin), additional PC, lots of PM taken all month long (thanks to the Depo), lots of a strong fenugreek extract and a little saw palmetto extract. Plenty of studies show that all it takes is lots of balanced estrogen and progesterone while reducing testosterone. And that saponins such as fenugreek dramatically increase sensitivity to these same hormones. And that E+P-T and hormonal sensitivity are the way it happens naturally for that matter. But Depo has side effects. And those with any health issues may want to take it easy and eat well for a bit before adding on strong herbs or birth control lest their issues worsen. A more responsible approach less likely to end in a painful disaster would be first to eat well, especially whole grains, second get your hormones tested, third balance them carefully, fourth only after all of that is fully taken care of gradually add on more and more fenugreek, then lastly add cycled PM & PC. If something isn't working well or causing negative effects, don't skip ahead or you'll just cause yourself more trouble not progress. Step back instead.

Thanks for the encouraging words Joe, ill stick with it and try the brown rice, I guess there a truth in there as I told before I had a friend eating brown sandwiches like crazy..

[Lotus]

Take the high and low between receptor sensitivity, all things being equal at this point, receptor regulation responds better to a steady state over massive quantities (dosages), giving way why it (massive dosages) never works. Basic science of rate limiting.

[Lotus]

The goal of breast growth is "disease free breasts" not an environment of systemic inflammation, edema, DVT, immune deficiencies, and the like.

[Lotus]

Make a plan that's focused on getting healthy first, if weight is a concern? focus on that first. If metabolism (thyroid) is an issue, FIX that first, etc etc.

[Lotus]

And btw, constant cell division puts breasts at a higher risk of devolving BC. Which is why the steady state is safer, (not completely mind you, just less of a risk), especially in light of menstruation causing constant apoptosis (cell death) and division.

Sorry Hannah, lol...(.temp. hijack ) oops.

[Jaded Jade]

I think allot of it has to do with the fact that the genetic-males here have not been exposed to much in the way of female hormones pre-NBE. So all their potential is unrealized. Where the bio-females have been exposed to them for years, so much of their potential is already realized, while many of them can still realize gains, going from 80% to 95% of potential isn't as dramatic as going from 0% to 70%.

So while the genetic males may show amazing average gains, it is not fair comparison, since you are measuring potential gains realized over a time period between two groups, with one group already having had gains that are not measured as part of the comparison.


- JJ

[Tribble1]

I don't know if NBE potential is genetically related. If so, nobody in my family wears more than a B cup so according to that I'm already at my genetic limit.

But going from flat to an A or B cup is more dramatic than going from an A to a B, or a B to a C as most cis women do.

I think there are many factors and it doesn't depend on one's gender, but on whether or not a specific method works.

[surferjoe2007]

Men being cavalier about gulping handfuls of herbs (while that might be a tiny bit true lol) is otherwise, well......BS.

Yeah there's a limit to how high anyone will go but it's more that I've seen far more women use a small amount of a weak herb than men. How many TG men say "I'll just take a couple thousand mg of fenugreek or fennel and see how that goes for a few months"?

[Lotus]

Men being cavalier about gulping handfuls of herbs (while that might be a tiny bit true lol) is otherwise, well......BS.

Yeah there's a limit to how high anyone will go but it's more that I've seen far more women use a small amount of a weak herb than men. How many TG men say "I'll just take a couple thousand mg of fenugreek or fennel and see how that goes for a few months"?

A couple thousand mg is a far cry from 100,000 mg. Hopefully someone will advise them of the risks involved. If we learned anything here, its not worth the risk to ones health for the almighty boobs.