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NBE and Diabetes

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Did you have your thyroid checked? May be sluggish due to low iodine intake
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#12

(15-11-2015, 07:53 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Will admit that I am decidedly pill adverse too. Think a lot of us have become deeply suspicious of the pharma industry. But can't deny that they have over the years produced some very effective treatments. As with so much nowadays it's a matter of don't believe the hype and do your homework. After all, even "natural" remedies can still come with side effects and consequences. But acid reflux is 'orrible! :-(

Yes, big pharma has done some good stuff, in spite of the hype, but, like you say, just do your homework and things should be alright.

(15-11-2015, 07:53 PM)Huggy Wrote:  REALLY wish I could get a proper exercise programme in place. Unfortunately the Chronic Fatigue can be a bear to deal with sometimes. If I go slightly over my limit it takes days to get back on my feet. Almost literally 1 step forwards 2 steps back. But I had a plan that was working and just need to get back to it. As you mention, being sedentary is a surefire way to pile on the lbs.

Have a friend with CFS... Has to really watch himself as well. It's a nasty beggar...
I will admit, motivation to do the exercises was a tough one, but, having no choice but exercise is a great motivator, I just chose
an exercise program which is geared towards women/tg...

(15-11-2015, 07:53 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Majorly impressed with your weight loss! Can you put it down to anything in particular? I am not envious at all!!!!! ;-) My target is to shift another 50 lbs. If I could manage that I would be satisfied at the mo. Where I go from there could depend on how the NBE goes? Unintended consequences etc....

Well, I also have other stomach issues: Can't ingest dairy any more, get horrible gut aches
and nausea if I do (depending on how much I ingest) I miss pizza.... (No cheese, either, what's pizza without
cheese?) Sad

So diet, (Extensive changes,) exercise. I am close enough to work that it only takes a few minutes to walk. I also had an exercise
bike... Burned it out, I rode it so much (actually, wore out 2 of them) So was going to the gym before my knee issues, plan
on going back.

(15-11-2015, 07:53 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Something you may want to consider. With the amount of weight loss we are talking about, helping the skin to shrink down and heal can be an issue. Have you thought about using Coconut Oil topically as skin care? It's reputation is very good for this and it's done amazing things for my skin I have to say.

Not having much trouble with my skin, my biggest issue is keeping out of the sun in the summer, it can do nasty
things to the skin.

(15-11-2015, 07:53 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Know some here still have SP in their programme. Which I think shows how we are all different and what works for some may not be so effective for others. But I can't honestly say it did much for me when I tried it and from what I have read SP can actually make for weight gain and cellulite and down regulates progesterone receptors. Many here have reported stomach upsets when taking it, and with your acid reflux you may want to take care?

I was having some blood pressure issues while on sp, but think it was more stress rather than sp, been off of it for a couple of years now,
blood pressure still up and down... Was also eating a lot of salty stuff.

(15-11-2015, 07:53 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Excellent news about no tinglies and vision issues. Don't want to be too dramatic, but diabetes can do damage before symptoms become apparent. You may want to have a look at EPO and green tea.

My Doctor is pretty quick when an issue is detected, he was on the prowl for side issues pretty quick, went to the optometrist
quick after the diagnosis, eyes are normal, no damage.

I am going to lose a bunch more weight before I get into any NBE program again, probably once I hit 250 or lower, just to see if
the combination of diet, exercise and nbe can do interesting things to the lower body geometry. Wink
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#13

Going to be offline for the rest of the week so thought I had better take a moment to pop over a quick reply.

Sounds like we are dealing with very similar issues. Don't have quite the level of stomach problems you have but we are definitely on the same page. Oh, I miss pizza sooooo much! Though saying that, I did weaken a few weeks ago and can't honestly say I enjoyed it. Wonder if there is a bit of the body craving what is not good for it? And staying away for long enough you notice it's true nature, which very often is not particularly healthy. Noticing the same thing with sweet things too. Got a real sweet tooth (no surprises there) but the better I am getting at eliminating sugar, the less I enjoy the occasional weakness. Used to love chocolate, but now it just tastes like sweet mush. Ok, may be lying there a little bit ;-)

As tough at it is sometimes, exercise, or rather controlled activity, is the main way to recover from CFS. A little while ago I managed to get referred to the leading CFS specialist in the UK. Don't know how your friend is doing, but if he would like I could put some notes together and pm them over to you.

Been some very interesting developments over the last couple of years regarding the real reason so many are pilling on the lbs. And how the body actually responds to exercise. Some of what they are finding is initially counter intuitive. Not least of which is that for many the gym is not the place to go. I had some links which I managed to loose (ugh!). Will try and find them again and post them.

Fully understand your reasoning of waiting until you can get your weight on the way down before starting NBE again. Seems I am a little ahead of the curve than you here and can say that's it's entirely possible to affect the lower body geometry! Realise I am talking purely from anecdotal, but personally it was becoming noticeable within a matter of weeks of getting my programme working and every indication of it continuing. I do actually suspect that because fat cells don't go once you get them... and overweight people grow more fat cells... once we manage to get down to our target weight and get NBE going, we could probably manage larger curves than those who managed to stay skinny. Just the iddy biddy matter of getting the weight down in the first place :-(

As I am sure you can appreciate, my investigations for NBE have been heavily influenced by my own health issues and from what I have found/finding it should be possible to create an effective NBE programme that can have health benefits too. My suggestion regarding EPO and Green Tea was meant for health reasons, not specifically for NBE.

Studies have shown that FG at 500mg per day helps stabilise insulin production and hormone levels, helps with fat reduction, and reducing the build up of calcium oxalate in the kidneys (we NEED good kidneys). Reishi has MULTIPLE health benefits! As does Green Tea, in particular with helping with weight loss and type 2. Vitamin D3 helps with weight loss, especially if not getting enough sun (don't over do it though). And to be honest, the more I am finding out, EPO especially when combined with a good fish oil is almost tailor made for what we are dealing with (health wise). The fact that they can also be effective when part of an NBE programme is almost coincidental. Often the difference is just dosage and fine tuning the combinations.
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(17-11-2015, 01:06 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Going to be offline for the rest of the week so thought I had better take a moment to pop over a quick reply.

Sounds like we are dealing with very similar issues. Don't have quite the level of stomach problems you have but we are definitely on the same page. Oh, I miss pizza sooooo much! Though saying that, I did weaken a few weeks ago and can't honestly say I enjoyed it. Wonder if there is a bit of the body craving what is not good for it? And staying away for long enough you notice it's true nature, which very often is not particularly healthy. Noticing the same thing with sweet things too. Got a real sweet tooth (no surprises there) but the better I am getting at eliminating sugar, the less I enjoy the occasional weakness. Used to love chocolate, but now it just tastes like sweet mush. Ok, may be lying there a little bit ;-)

To a certain extent I don't miss the Pizza, I used to enjoy cheese omelettes though, now those I really miss. Sad
The cravings thing is strange, sometimes, I think certain cravings (say fish) is because the body needs a top up of something
say, iron, or calcium. Other times, it is, as you say, because
it isn't good for you... But I also wonder about certain supplements (beano, lactaid) which let you eat something without (apparent) consequences,
I think that can be bad for you as well, after all, your body is saying something when you get sick because of it, why flirt with
danger?

(17-11-2015, 01:06 PM)Huggy Wrote:  As tough at it is sometimes, exercise, or rather controlled activity, is the main way to recover from CFS. A little while ago I managed to get referred to the leading CFS specialist in the UK. Don't know how your friend is doing, but if he would like I could put some notes together and pm them over to you.

Been some very interesting developments over the last couple of years regarding the real reason so many are pilling on the lbs. And how the body actually responds to exercise. Some of what they are finding is initially counter intuitive. Not least of which is that for many the gym is not the place to go. I had some links which I managed to loose (ugh!). Will try and find them again and post them.

I have had to throttle back the exercises for a couple of days, tweaked my abdominal muscles, and I have to be careful with that; had rib injuries
(not from exercise) on two different occasions and don't want to aggravate them (and they aggravate easily). Sad
The exercises are effective for me, as long as I do the diet with them...
After seeing the effect of CFS on my friend, I would hate to experience it...
I feel for you.

(17-11-2015, 01:06 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Fully understand your reasoning of waiting until you can get your weight on the way down before starting NBE again. Seems I am a little ahead of the curve than you here and can say that's it's entirely possible to affect the lower body geometry! Realise I am talking purely from anecdotal, but personally it was becoming noticeable within a matter of weeks of getting my programme working and every indication of it continuing. I do actually suspect that because fat cells don't go once you get them... and overweight people grow more fat cells... once we manage to get down to our target weight and get NBE going, we could probably manage larger curves than those who managed to stay skinny. Just the iddy biddy matter of getting the weight down in the first place :-(

Since the exercises have been effective for me, it will be interesting to see what adding something like fg to mix will do....

(17-11-2015, 01:06 PM)Huggy Wrote:  As I am sure you can appreciate, my investigations for NBE have been heavily influenced by my own health issues and from what I have found/finding it should be possible to create an effective NBE programme that can have health benefits too. My suggestion regarding EPO and Green Tea was meant for health reasons, not specifically for NBE.

I also occasionally drink camomile tea and take magnesium for some issues, I find them fairly effective.

(17-11-2015, 01:06 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Studies have shown that FG at 500mg per day helps stabilise insulin production and hormone levels, helps with fat reduction, and reducing the build up of calcium oxalate in the kidneys (we NEED good kidneys). Reishi has MULTIPLE health benefits! As does Green Tea, in particular with helping with weight loss and type 2. Vitamin D3 helps with weight loss, especially if not getting enough sun (don't over do it though). And to be honest, the more I am finding out, EPO especially when combined with a good fish oil is almost tailor made for what we are dealing with (health wise). The fact that they can also be effective when part of an NBE programme is almost coincidental. Often the difference is just dosage and fine tuning the combinations.

Be interesting to see the effect of fg on my diabetes, though one has to be very careful not go the opposite direction into hypoglycaemia.
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#15

Cheezie omelettes? Will give you that. ;-) But for me it's the childhood favourite of cheese on toast with beans on top, and a slab of very fresh bead and proper butter on the side! sigh.....

And yes, I do agree with you. Having a particular fancy or craving can be the body asking for something it needs. The trouble is that our diet and our palette has become so corrupted I wonder sometimes if we know what real food is anymore? But if there is a sensitivity to a particular food, then masking the reaction doesn't necessarily protect you from the consequences of eating it. And I say that from actually having quite a bit of experience on the matter. Thankfully I only have a few items I have to be careful of, but my family have had and still do have serious issues. My mother got to the point that even tap water (or more to the point the stuff in it) caused a full allergic reaction, and the water here is actually better than a lot of places.

Managed to tear an abdominal muscle myself last year. Man did that hurt!! Not rib injuries but of all things a sneeze! The cause may have been trivial but the pain wasn't and it hung around for weeks. So yeh, taking it easy for a bit sounds like a good idea :-) Concentrate on the legs and lower body perhaps?

The CFS can be a bind, but to be honest I am not complaining. There are actually a lot of different flavours of CFS. For me it's "just" in the brain and a constant exhaustion. But I know some have severe muscle weakness and pain with it, which thankfully I don't. Hope your friend is getting the support he needs, can be tough dealing with it on your own.

Dug out a few links for you which you may find interesting.
FG: http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-733-FENUGREEK.aspx?activeIngredientId=733&activeIngredientName=FENUGREEK&source=2
EPO: http://www.naturalalternativeremedy.com/...imrose-oil
Green Tea: http://www.hindustantimes.com/health-and...YfAhO.html

Have other info if you are interested but these should give you a pretty good idea on the matter.

Hypoglycaemia is definitely something to avoid! The nice thing with these supplements, is that unlike meds they try to even things out and re-balance the system, and not just flood the body with insulin to bring the sugar levels down.

I have also just discovered something called Amla. It's been used in Indian cooking for generations and has recently been shown to be effective with dealing with diabetes. Now it may just be placebo, but I've only been on it a short while and I already seem to be noticing a bit of a lift in my energy levels. Which bearing in mind I managed to get the diabetes under control (so I thought) I find rather interesting.

This video give a quick review of Amla and diabetes: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/amla-versus-diabetes
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#16

The rib issue was a costochondral separation, one from a fall across a (turned off and unplugged) table saw, the other, a lifting
injury, but they can, like your muscle tear, be triggered by a good sneeze.
The first one took 14 months to heal properly, the second, only 6.

(21-11-2015, 05:57 PM)Huggy Wrote:  I have also just discovered something called Amla. It's been used in Indian cooking for generations and has recently been shown to be effective with dealing with diabetes. Now it may just be placebo, but I've only been on it a short while and I already seem to be noticing a bit of a lift in my energy levels. Which bearing in mind I managed to get the diabetes under control (so I thought) I find rather interesting.

This video give a quick review of Amla and diabetes: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/amla-versus-diabetes

The Amla makes sense, My friend with the CFS, he and his wife love East Indian food, whenever they eat it, (she has type 2 as well) her
blood sugars drop.

So, that is a treat for them and especially for her, since there are no repercussions from a good feast of it. Smile
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Eek! My legs went all goosy when you said that about the table saw! I regularly uses machinery with big pointy things attached and have over the years had a few near misses myself. Only takes a split second.....

Been looking further into Amla and it's turning out to be something of a hidden gem for health in general and with diabetes in particular. I find it a little bitter so I need some tasty ways to get it into me, but definitely going to stick with it as most of what I am reading is positive and I am sure I can notice a difference in myself already. Still early days of course, but at worse there doesn't seem to be a down side. It has nutritional benefits, and it's hardly expensive. So a bit of a no-brainer?

On that website I also noticed a video about Flaxseed. Not as big an effect that the Amla is reported to have, but quantifiable all the same.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/flaxseed-vs-diabetes/

What I am finding very curious is just how often herbals connected to diabetes also keep coming up when discussing NBE. At first I thought it was an interesting coincidence, but the hit rate seems to be way too high for just a coincidence. Wish I knew more about the chemistry involved (where are you Lotus? ;-) but there does seem to be an underlying link between hormones and diabetes and obesity.

Unfortunately with diabetes it seems the established wisdom is to point the finger and say you are too fat and then poke the pancreas with chemicals to modify insulin production. Rather than asking the question of why the pancreas stopped working properly in the first place?

Similar logic with the weight gain. "Fight the fat" they shout! Rather than deal with the actual reason the body's natural weight regulating systems went wrong? We all know of people who can eat ridiculous amount of food and not put on an ounce (gurrr!).

So I suppose business as usual then. Treat the symptom and not the cause?

The side effects and potential risks associated with diabetes meds scare the life out of me. Though I do accept there is a place for them and they can genuinely be a life saver in some circumstances. Thankfully I was diagnosed early and have managed to control it before becoming dependant on meds. But the more I am learning I now think it would be entirely possible to bolt together quite an effective NBE programme while managing diabetes. So providing an excellent (and genuine) cover story for those that need one, and look after our health too! Sounds like a bit of a win-win-win to me?
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#18

Medication can cause diabetes and gynomastia. About sun and my breasts being naked in the sun, I use spf 50. It feels good to have lotion rubbed into my skin by my partner.
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(24-11-2015, 04:25 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Eek! My legs went all goosy when you said that about the table saw! I regularly uses machinery with big pointy things attached and have over the years had a few near misses myself. Only takes a split second.....

Thankfully, also the blade was fully retracted. Smile
It was slamming my side into the space between the
rails for the rip fence, and the table top, then twisting.... :/
Ouch, and eek indeed.

(24-11-2015, 04:25 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Been looking further into Amla and it's turning out to be something of a hidden gem for health in general and with diabetes in particular. I find it a little bitter so I need some tasty ways to get it into me, but definitely going to stick with it as most of what I am reading is positive and I am sure I can notice a difference in myself already. Still early days of course, but at worse there doesn't seem to be a down side. It has nutritional benefits, and it's hardly expensive. So a bit of a no-brainer?

Hmmm, must have feed of east Indian food sometime. Wink

(24-11-2015, 04:25 PM)Huggy Wrote:  Wish I knew more about the chemistry involved (where are you Lotus? ;-) but there does seem to be an underlying link between hormones and diabetes and obesity.

Unfortunately with diabetes it seems the established wisdom is to point the finger and say you are too fat and then poke the pancreas with chemicals to modify insulin production. Rather than asking the question of why the pancreas stopped working properly in the first place?

Similar logic with the weight gain. "Fight the fat" they shout! Rather than deal with the actual reason the body's natural weight regulating systems went wrong? We all know of people who can eat ridiculous amount of food and not put on an ounce (gurrr!).

Yes, there has to be an underlying reason....

Other than inactivity - although I have been a slug
when it comes to activity for a number of years. Blush

My mother couldn't loose weight to save her life, other than
at the end when she got really sick (cancer. Sad )

Could be as simple as a hormone imbalance or a need
to cut just one thing from the diet....
Interesting thought.
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Been conscious for some time now how our diet and environment has so fundamentally changed over the last decades. The correlation between the commercialisation of the food industry and contamination of our environment, and the growing epidemic of ailments that even a couple of generations ago were almost unheard of is hard to ignore. What is interesting is how so often the one thing that seems to be most vulnerable to these toxins is the endocrine system. Can't help but wonder if this is the real reason for most of the aliments that plague us today?

A few years ago I stumbled upon a study where some students had found the tests done by the British government during the second world war to establish the nutritional value of the food available and what was needed to keep the population healthy. The students then decided to re-run the exact same tests on the food items we have now. Annoyingly I have lost that info, but do remember the results done on chicken. The chicken we have now has LOST 80% of it's nutritional value compared to the chicken available during the war! Every other food item also showed substantially lower values. Is it any wonder why we are having health issues?

Anyway, as much as I would like to I can't put all the blame on "them". Four years ago when things went pop for me I managed to get my slug impersonation down so well I gathered cobwebs! Quite literally, for almost 2 years I hardly moved. So no real surprise that the weight piled on and diabetes came a knocking at my door. Cause and effect a little too clear to ignore.

So very sad to hear about your Mother. To be honest, only last week I lost a very dear relative to that spiteful demon. It took just three weeks from a funny cough to gone. Family are blown apart, but just take some comfort that she didn't suffer long. Life can really smack you around the back of the head sometimes can't it?

Ok..... will be going for my next set of blood tests in a few weeks and I am very intrigued to find out what the current state of play is. Been taking the Amla for two weeks now (small teaspoon morning and evening) and my energy levels have gone up a bit and my belly flab is definitely softer. Not showing up much on the scales yet but there is definitely a difference. And that's after only two weeks. You probably will not be surprised to hear I have ordered some more.

Somehow managed to overlook a posting about diabetes on here which has some interesting info on it

http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=20656

Oh, and Tanya, yes I have had my thyroid checked. In fact I was using iodine to help with an unrelated matter and an unintended consequence was that I actually created a problem with my thyroid. All sorted now but for me a timely warning to be careful with these supplements. It is entirely possible to cause real health problems if we are not careful.
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