[Lotus]

You are amazing Lotus. POM

Aw thanks, that's very nice, just trying to help my friends.

POM, I always do better with exercise if someone directs me, like challenging me to X amount. For lack of a better explanation, i (maybe we? @ BN) need a coach.

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Alright, you asked for it. I'll coach you, but during pilates I need your boobies as a pillow-

Deal, um.........I will facsimile you some, boobie pillows that is

[Lotus]

Btw, it would be cool to have NBE Breast Nexus music playlists, any ideas (or) apps that let people (groups) add playlists and feedback.

[The First Aria]

POM, I always do better with exercise if someone directs me, like challenging me to X amount. For lack of a better explanation, i (maybe we? @ BN) need a coach.

Shut Up Lotus, get down and give me 30! ! ! ( sound like old times, eh??)

[Alison59]

Great work Lotus, more very useful info there, while I don't fully understand it all, it looks like that's why there such a variety of results with people using similar programs.

So from my understanding would it be of benefit to be more varied in the use of a wider range of herbs and supplements spread out as part of a programme to possibly achieve better results?

For example at the moment along with PM 500mg x2 daily and WP, I'm rotating GTE, Reishi and Licorice alongside that and along with fish oil caps and Vit D, I've moved on to adding some Citrus into the mix as well over the last week that really did the trick, thanks
My nipples are to say the least now very sensitive since starting that

Your breast pics look wonderful, you are an inspiration to us all

[Lotus]

POM, I always do better with exercise if someone directs me, like challenging me to X amount. For lack of a better explanation, i (maybe we? @ BN) need a coach.

Shut Up Lotus, get down and give me 30! ! ! ( sound like old times, eh??)

Lol, that brings up old memories , (38years ago, wtf huh) . those drill instructors where manically evil.

[Lotus]

Great work Lotus, more very useful info there, while I don't fully understand it all, it looks like that's why there such a variety of results with people using similar programs.

So from my understanding would it be of benefit to be more varied in the use of a wider range of herbs and supplements spread out as part of a programme to possibly achieve better results?

For example at the moment along with PM 500mg x2 daily and WP, I'm rotating GTE, Reishi and Licorice alongside that and along with fish oil caps and Vit D, I've moved on to adding some Citrus into the mix as well over the last week that really did the trick, thanks
My nipples are to say the least now very sensitive since starting that

Your breast pics look wonderful, you are an inspiration to us all

Thanks Alison, I appreciate that.


A plan that targets specific steroid hormones has a better chance of reaching ones goals. Ease off the gas pedal a few times a month to allow receptors to reset, (enter progesterone cream, which returns estrogen receptors to original state).

Every 90 minutes the pituitary is sending signals for hormones production, these are in small amounts. An average male produces 4mg to 10mg of Testoerone. And of that only .04 is aromatase. From my understanding that equates to about 300ng/dL of total T (daily).

If 5 alpha reductase is blocked inside the Andogen Receptor it can't be converted to DHT, or on the other hand, if no 5AR is present in the androgen receptor it should be processed into aromatase. This is what green tea does, inhibit the CYP17 pathway.

Btw, green tea is one secondary metabolite one should have in a NBE/HRT plan. Citrus is another, e.g. Lemon which also inhibits the CYP17 enzyme. I'd go with fresh squeezed in ice water. Thanks for the heads up about the nipple sensitivity from using lemon, I've heard this a lot. Mine get puffy when I drink it too.


Reishi is also estrogenic, it has so many other health benefits (posted in BN), just like green tea. It's about the strongest 5 AR inhibitor (80%@ prostate) just before Pharma AA's.

Be careful with the fish oil caps, it will boost free T, should be ok though if 5ar is blocked.

[Lotus]

Here's a fantastic review on green tea.

A Review on the Beneficial Effects of Tea Polyphenols on Human Health
www.researchgate.net/profile/Mohammad_Afzal14/publication/26557319_A_Review_on_the_Beneficial_Effects_of_Tea_Polyphenols_on_Human_Health/links/0deec53ba19126ecdb000000.pdf?inViewer=0&pdfJsDownload=0&origin=publication_detail

[Lotus]

Alison,

Have you tried drinking green tea (I prefer hot) along side a cup lemon water. Whoa!, that's a heck of a combination. [nipples/areolas be exploding]

[hannah]

For general info: A likely target or trigger of breast cancer is the phosphorylation of the enzyme tyrosine kinase, as seen here:


A cascade of events through phosphorylation of intracellular proteins that ultimately transmit ("transduce") the extracellular signal to the nucleus, causing changes in gene expression. Many RTKs are involved in oncogenesis, either by gene mutation, or chromosome translocation,[14] or simply by over-expression. In every case, the result is a hyper-active kinase, that confers an aberrant, ligand-independent, non-regulated growth stimulus to the cancer cells.

tyrosine kinase is an enzyme that can transfer a phosphate group from ATPto a protein in a cell. It functions as an "on" or "off" switch in many cellular functions. Tyrosine kinases are a subclass of protein kinase.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrosine_kinase

How do we prevent this in our practical approaches? I mean I see gene mutation again.... Taking days off in our programs? How often? What about external usage? Did you used herbs topically and regulary? Sorry for the questions, but I'm worried about topical appliance but it works very well for me..

[Alison59]

Thanks Alison, I appreciate that.


A plan that targets specific steroid hormones has a better chance of reaching ones goals. Ease off the gas pedal a few times a month to allow receptors to reset, (enter progesterone cream, which returns estrogen receptors to original state).

Every 90 minutes the pituitary is sending signals for hormones production, these are in small amounts. An average male produces 4mg to 10mg of Testoerone. And of that only .04 is aromatase. From my understanding that equates to about 300ng/dL of total T (daily).

If 5 alpha reductase is blocked inside the Andogen Receptor it can't be converted to DHT, or on the other hand, if no 5AR is present in the androgen receptor it should be processed into aromatase. This is what green tea does, inhibit the CYP17 pathway.

Btw, green tea is one secondary metabolite one should have in a NBE/HRT plan. Citrus is another, e.g. Lemon which also inhibits the CYP17 enzyme. I'd go with fresh squeezed in ice water. Thanks for the heads up about the nipple sensitivity from using lemon, I've heard this a lot. Mine get puffy when I drink it too.


Reishi is also estrogenic, it has so many other health benefits (posted in BN), just like green tea. It's about the strongest 5 AR inhibitor (80%@ prostate) just before Pharma AA's.

Be careful with the fish oil caps, it will boost free T, should be ok though if 5ar is blocked.

You're most welcome

Thanks for that, yes I'm taking a couple of days off per week and using PC to reset things.
I'll see how it goes with the Green tea, Reishi and limited use of Licorice (3x per week)
Hopefully that will block the 5ar sufficiently, which should I hope mean that any increase in Testosterone caused by the fish oil has a better chance of being converted into Estrogen by aromatase. I'm not taking too many though just a couple 3 times a week.

I'm also on Folic acid tablets and Vit D as my levels were a bit low a couple of months back will they be helping at all?

Alison,

Have you tried drinking green tea (I prefer hot) along side a cup lemon water. Whoa!, that's a heck of a combination. [nipples/areolas be exploding]

No I can't say I have, thanks for the tip I'm definately going to have to try that for sure