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Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male
May 20 2007 at 1:58 PM Fennel Fairy (no login)
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Here is the Transfemme website; it is the same product as Bountiful Breast for women. This product is very expensive and there are much cheaper brands of Bovine Ovay than this, which will produce the same results for a fraction of the cost. This site is good for info though, and it has a lot of testimonials etc. It seems to me that biological males have much faster and more dramatic results with the product than biological females do. A lot of the testimonials claim that they have experienced other benefits than breast growth, like less body hair, less facial hair, less balding, a more feminine voice, a more gentle disposition and a curvier figure.
What the product does:
http://www.transfemme.com/about.html
Testimonials:
http://www.transfemme.com/testimonials.html
For a much cheaper brand of BO, go to:
http://www.dnevitamins.com/
Bovine Ovary is preferably taken together with Kelp (iodine) and added protein. The pills are to be taken on an empty stomach and the ideal is to let one or two hours pass between any food intake and the pill. No soy products or estrogenic herbs are to be consumed during BO use.
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stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 4:06 PM
there is absolutely nothing in any product that will make a male voice sound more like a woman. once testosterone does it's job on the vocal chords we only have two options. one is vocal chord surgery which can be very dangerous, the other is voice lessons.
http://www.annelawrence.com/voicesurgery.html
when i see such sites that like the transfemme site that claims that one will have more of a female voice, it makes me wonder how many other things they claim are fraud too.
just my two cents.
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 6:05 PM
The site doesn't claim that at all. The product is for breast enlargement. What I said was, that some people said in their testimonials that they experienced other benefits too. It is that person you should question, not the product.
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 7:24 PM
These are MY two cents, as opposed to yours;
Bovine Ovary contains estrogen and progesterone. To claim that estrogen is effective for breast development in males can hardly be a fraud - what a single individual experiences as a result of using the product might vary from case to case as with all pills, meds and therapies. You can believe what you like, but the effect of estrogen and progesterone is what it is regardless of this website or your opinion.
As I clearly stated, this is an over priced product and there is a lot of "marketing" behind it, hence the fancy package and high price - You can buy the same thing really cheap from DNE. The reason why I posted the link was that the info page there explained very well what effect Bovine Ovary has on a male body. I'm sorry if it didn't come across as that. No where on that page do they claim that their capsules have any effect on the voice. One of the users reported that he had noticed a change - that is hardly a reason for you to dismiss Bovine Ovary as a fraud.
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Moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 8:33 PM
Hahaha!! Thanks for the info dear sweet Fennel! We love ya!
As for the voice claims, I suspect the customer was feeling more fem in her heart and head and was unconsciously making the effort to speak with a more feminine voice. It can be done, I've seen it, heard it. It's nothing short of amazing to see a girl that has overcome the damage done by genetics (male voice) and achieve a near perfect female voice.
As for other changes to the body, well, when you suppress the male hormones and flood the body with female hormones, something IS going to change. Sadly, the one thing that won't change for us is the voice. We can correct all the other malfunctions (male features) but the voice.
I do hope that the claims of the reduction of body hair are true. I really hope that's true..
As for regrowing lost hair on the scalp, I don't believe that one. If that were true I would think a lot of men would be taking the stuff to get their hair back. I'm afraid that in my case I'll have to see about hair restoration, my hair line receded to a severe "Widow's Peak" and just simply will not do. Facial hair? That's going to have to go the hard way too.
I've done a fair amount of electrolysis before and it sucks, really. Painful, slow and expensive. I'm not looking forward to it but I know I have no choice, I must finish it. I also have to undergo some laser treatments for my arms and chest, I have a lot of ugly scars, I caught adult chicken pox about 20 years ago and it caused me a LOT of terrible skin damage. Chicken Pox for adults can and often is fatal. I was lucky to survive it.
Really, I just need a new body.
The only way I'll ever be able to afford all these things is to hit a lottery jackpot. I'm going to start spending $2 each week on it, maybe I'll get lucky but I doubt it. But, if you don't play, you can't win.
Anyway, I don't for one second believe that there's one magic pill you can take and become female overnight.
I *WISH* there was. Sigh.................
Oh well.. Back to that silk purse project of mine..
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stefanie
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 8:47 PM
i did not mean to upset you fennel, not at all. its just at the end of your paragraph, it says that in some testimonials, the claim that the voice becomes more fem too.. that's all i was refering too.
i think BO could be good. but there are some companies like transfemme that overprice their products. btw, those testimonials are at least four years old. they were on of the first companies that i found when i first got onto all of this.
look at this company too. Diana is well respected in the transgendered community.
http://www.myevanesce.com/
her product though, will definitely make a man sterile and impotent after about nine months of useage.
she also disagrees that progesterone is not necessary. wrong, wrong, wrong!
also, most of her customers complain about little to no breast development but hips, butt and decreased muscle mass are common. maybe taking other supplements could help with breast growth?
this product though is for serious transition. no male fuction at all.
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 8:56 PM
Estrogen doesn't make lost hair grow back but it can effectively stop hair from falling out for as long as it is taken. So the balding stops temporarily. TS women who have gone through the full procedure including hormone treatment don't go bald. But they take hormones for the rest of their lives, don't they? The body hair can be reduced with estrogen the same way as women who get too much testosterone get more body hair. Nothing strange with that - I have experienced it myself. When I was in my early twenties, I had quite a lot of body hair and other signs of excess androgens, including no breasts. After pregnancy and the estrogenic overload that came with it, I got a femining figure and a lot less body hair. So yes, I know hormones play a big role when it comes to body hair.
When women go through menopause, they often get unwanted facial hair as a result of the decreasing levels of estrogen. I would assume that estrogen would make the male facial hair softer, thinner and slower growing.
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Fennel
(no login) I checked that link, Stefanie... May 20 2007, 9:21 PM
Interesting stuff! Have a lot of people had success with it? I wonder what exactly Evanesce and Feminol contains though. I can't find a list of the contents anywhere. Do you know what's in it? *curious* It says biological women can use it too - I wonder if it is more potent than the traditional NBE pills for women in that case? They seem to suggest that this is much more potent than the ordinary herbs. I noticed that one of the products have glandulars in the formula; I wonder if that is ovaries and in that case what herbs have they mixed it with?
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Moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 9:24 PM
"this product though is for serious transition. no male fuction at all."
Ah, see, this is not what I would want. While I do wish to become as feminine as possible, I sort of want to keep the plumbing functional if at all possible. I may never be able to go all the way through to SRS and will very likely spend the rest of my life as an * it *... More female than male but still able to enjoy sex as a female or as a male, I'll end up with either a GG or TG girl (either is fine with me)
But for now, it's working better than ever before. So much better that it shocks me, I can't imagine why this is happening because it contradicts everything I've read so far. But I'm not complaining because it's sooooo very much better than ever before.
I personally feel that my sexual functions have greatly benefited from the herbs. I can't stress enough how much better it is without going into pornographic descriptions.. As it is now, I LIKE IT and I want to keep things like this. At least as long as I can.
I full well realize that this may just be a passing, temporary phase and that somewhere down the line the well may go dry but for now, I'm going to enjoy this new found sex drive.
So far I've taken no name brand "feminization" products, just herbs that you can buy at the grocery or health food stores.
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 9:44 PM
I too have used ordinary herbs off the shelf and no brand names so far. Now using DNE Bovine Ovary which is not even marketed for breast enlargement use. Saves a lot of money! You pay for the fancy label and all the advertising when you buy the big brands. I don't think the effect would be all that different between their contents and what we can find ourselves.
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stefanie
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 10:05 PM
yes, some women have used that but i have never seen any kind of feedback.
curious though, it seems that a lot of males want the breasts and equate that to being feminine. i see it as being a man with boobs. ive seen quite a few people in transition. in most cases, (real people, bot the prn sites)they look like a man with boobs.
if i get real serious about this and before i go far on herbals, the first thing i would consider is electrolysis and facial feminization surgery. secondly, vocal feminization.
here is a good link for vocal feminization.
http://www.genderlife.com/shop/female_vo...cebook.htm
and
http://www.genderlife.com/shop/transsexu..._voice.htm
people see you, then they hear you.
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Moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 11:12 PM
I am quite sure that this process will take a long time, for me.
In a way, I wish I could wake up in the morning and be pure female from head to toe. Pure fantasy. But I still wish it. About 30 times per minute.
In my case, I've had enough electrolysis in the past that if I take the extra time to shave very slowly and carefully (in the shower) the results are quite decent, you really can't detect any sort of shadow. Compared to other males, it's a stark difference.
Compared to women, it barely holds a candle. I've 46 years of hormonal skin damage going on here and my skin is really not as it should be. I do plan to eventually to finish what I started and have it all removed forever. I must.
As for the herbs and stuff, well, yeah, I want female breasts but I also want the rest of my body to feminize too.
Thing is, there's a lot of work to do yet. I can't just shave, slap on a wig, some lipstick and a pair of pantyhose and expect to stroll around the mall and use the ladies room without getting arrested! I have to change everything about me. EVERYTHING...
I have to unlearn all the bad habits, unlearn the ways of speech, mannerisms, crudeness, and other cro-magnon behaviors.
See, all these years I've worked hard to supress what I really am and worked hard to HIDE what I really am.
In doing so, I became an Alpha Male. A *serious* Alpha Male with an aggressive, angry, Type A personality.
And it worked well, no one ever suspected a thing and when I told a few people about what was going on in my head they were shocked. I live inside a labyrinth of lies. I've erected walls and moats and turrets of lies and lies inside of lies to hide and protect the truth. To continue to live the lies I've been living will suffice for now, to cover what I'm working towards.
I have no delusions that I can just grow a pair of tits and expect everyone to see me as a woman. Tits are just ONE (actually TWO) part of the many things you need to be "pass".. Voice is another, and it's one of the toughest items there is to overcome.
But feminization of the body is pretty much a must, as is facial hair, scalp line, body shape, voice, mannerisms, clothes, etc....
Women that were born women have a huge advantage over us, they've had an entire lifetime of nature, training and practice to perfect the art of being female. We, have an entire lifetime of nature, lack of training and lack of practice at being female working against us. The barriers we must overcome are HUGE and will take a lifetime of dedication and hard work.
This is the hardest thing in the world to go through. It's like trying to swim UP Niagara Falls.
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Blu-jay
(no login) Bovine Ovary May 20 2007, 11:17 PM
If you're interested in more products like that checkout this web site.
www.herbalstimulants.com
Blu-Jay
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Blu-Jay
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 11:28 PM
Sorry! The right one is:
www.herbal-stimulants.com
Once again Sorry
Blu-Jay
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Alice
(Login Roundmoon) My Evanesse May 24 2007, 12:01 AM
Just a short note, i have tried this program too, Their main product is one of the strongest anti-androgens avaliable, that's herbal. It does work and will make you sterile if used for a period of time, 6 months if i'm not mistaken, which i probably am, and a great message board with LOTS of information,
And YES the lady who runs it is knowledgable, respected, and Doesn't mind letting go if you cross her. Great Lady and My Kinda Woman!!!
Alice
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moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 24 2007, 3:26 AM
What herb are they putting in their product? Any chance you picked up on that?
I'm totally wanting to know but I don't want to shell out the $$$ they want..
Nothing against them but their prices are out of my league.
Oh, and I read on another forum that a drug that folks commonly take as an anti-androgen is not the best choice, I think it was Spironolactone.
Seems that it was not invented with the intent of suppressing androgens, that's just a side effect. Apparently though, there ARE drugs that were invented specifically for that very things and work much, much better.
I'm still going to stick the course with natural herbs but I do want to learn as much as I can about the alternatives, in case this just doesn't pan out.
One more week on herbs for me, then a clean out and then I start the BO regime.
As our dear friend Fennel suggests, I plan to give it a continuous 3 month run.
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moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 29 2007, 5:03 AM
In comparison to taking all the phytoestrogens, how does BO compare?
Is it estrogen or some other variety of female hormones?
I can find a lot of basic pages saying BO will make you grow tits.
Ok fine. But I was reading that it does so by stimulating the pituitary gland.
So while taking BO, will I no longer have female hormones in my system?
As it is now, I think I have a pretty heavy dose of them in me now, I would bet if tested, I would test positive and maybe off the scale.
So when I stop taking herbs and am on only BO and anti-andro (SP) what will happen to my hormone levels? I have no doubt that there will be a feminizing effect from the BO but will it put hormones into my system, cause my system to produce it's own female hormones or neither?
Just curious. Still going to do it regardless but trying to better understand what will be happening. Also trying to figure out how I'm going to fare emotionally. I know the herbs I'm on now are playing serious games with my emotions. (no complaints, it's somewhat of an emotional comfort, yeah sounds stupid huh?)
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moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 29 2007, 6:33 AM
Found this on the wikipedia site after searching for Bovine Ovary, that led me round and round until I was at wiki and I found this.
I am curious as to the last sentence. I don't understand what they mean by that.
I'm guess they are saying it reduces their aggressive male tendencies??
* Progesterone is used in hormone therapy for transsexual women, and some intersex women - especially when synthetic progestins have been ineffective or caused side-effects - since normal breast tissue cannot develop except in the presence of both progestogen and estrogen. Mammary glandular tissue is otherwise fibrotic, the breast shape conical and the areola immature. Progesterone can correct those even after years of inadequate hormonal treatment. Research usually cited against such value was conducted using Provera, a synthetic progestin. Progesterone also has a role in skin elasticity and bone strength, in respiration, in nerve tissue and in female sexuality, and the presence of progesterone receptors in certain muscle and fat tissue may hint at a role in sexually-dimorphic proportions of those.
Progesterone may effect male behavior: 'Progesterone receptors mediate male aggression toward infants' PNAS 2003 100: 2951-2956; 10.1073/pnas.0130100100
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 29 2007, 7:19 AM
Since Bovine Ovaries are real ovaries, you will be ingesting the hormones that are produced in the ovaries = mainly estrogen and also some progesterone with a higher effect than any phytoestrogens can give you. So your hormone levels will be even more estrogenic than they are now.
Lonely Sheep
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 29 2007, 7:42 AM
Oh goodie! So I'm in for a real estrogen fueled joy ride then!
May 20 2007 at 1:58 PM Fennel Fairy (no login)
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Here is the Transfemme website; it is the same product as Bountiful Breast for women. This product is very expensive and there are much cheaper brands of Bovine Ovay than this, which will produce the same results for a fraction of the cost. This site is good for info though, and it has a lot of testimonials etc. It seems to me that biological males have much faster and more dramatic results with the product than biological females do. A lot of the testimonials claim that they have experienced other benefits than breast growth, like less body hair, less facial hair, less balding, a more feminine voice, a more gentle disposition and a curvier figure.
What the product does:
http://www.transfemme.com/about.html
Testimonials:
http://www.transfemme.com/testimonials.html
For a much cheaper brand of BO, go to:
http://www.dnevitamins.com/
Bovine Ovary is preferably taken together with Kelp (iodine) and added protein. The pills are to be taken on an empty stomach and the ideal is to let one or two hours pass between any food intake and the pill. No soy products or estrogenic herbs are to be consumed during BO use.
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stefanie
(Login stefanie_ss) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 4:06 PM
there is absolutely nothing in any product that will make a male voice sound more like a woman. once testosterone does it's job on the vocal chords we only have two options. one is vocal chord surgery which can be very dangerous, the other is voice lessons.
http://www.annelawrence.com/voicesurgery.html
when i see such sites that like the transfemme site that claims that one will have more of a female voice, it makes me wonder how many other things they claim are fraud too.
just my two cents.
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 6:05 PM
The site doesn't claim that at all. The product is for breast enlargement. What I said was, that some people said in their testimonials that they experienced other benefits too. It is that person you should question, not the product.
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 7:24 PM
These are MY two cents, as opposed to yours;
Bovine Ovary contains estrogen and progesterone. To claim that estrogen is effective for breast development in males can hardly be a fraud - what a single individual experiences as a result of using the product might vary from case to case as with all pills, meds and therapies. You can believe what you like, but the effect of estrogen and progesterone is what it is regardless of this website or your opinion.
As I clearly stated, this is an over priced product and there is a lot of "marketing" behind it, hence the fancy package and high price - You can buy the same thing really cheap from DNE. The reason why I posted the link was that the info page there explained very well what effect Bovine Ovary has on a male body. I'm sorry if it didn't come across as that. No where on that page do they claim that their capsules have any effect on the voice. One of the users reported that he had noticed a change - that is hardly a reason for you to dismiss Bovine Ovary as a fraud.
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Moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 8:33 PM
Hahaha!! Thanks for the info dear sweet Fennel! We love ya!
As for the voice claims, I suspect the customer was feeling more fem in her heart and head and was unconsciously making the effort to speak with a more feminine voice. It can be done, I've seen it, heard it. It's nothing short of amazing to see a girl that has overcome the damage done by genetics (male voice) and achieve a near perfect female voice.
As for other changes to the body, well, when you suppress the male hormones and flood the body with female hormones, something IS going to change. Sadly, the one thing that won't change for us is the voice. We can correct all the other malfunctions (male features) but the voice.
I do hope that the claims of the reduction of body hair are true. I really hope that's true..
As for regrowing lost hair on the scalp, I don't believe that one. If that were true I would think a lot of men would be taking the stuff to get their hair back. I'm afraid that in my case I'll have to see about hair restoration, my hair line receded to a severe "Widow's Peak" and just simply will not do. Facial hair? That's going to have to go the hard way too.
I've done a fair amount of electrolysis before and it sucks, really. Painful, slow and expensive. I'm not looking forward to it but I know I have no choice, I must finish it. I also have to undergo some laser treatments for my arms and chest, I have a lot of ugly scars, I caught adult chicken pox about 20 years ago and it caused me a LOT of terrible skin damage. Chicken Pox for adults can and often is fatal. I was lucky to survive it.
Really, I just need a new body.
The only way I'll ever be able to afford all these things is to hit a lottery jackpot. I'm going to start spending $2 each week on it, maybe I'll get lucky but I doubt it. But, if you don't play, you can't win.
Anyway, I don't for one second believe that there's one magic pill you can take and become female overnight.
I *WISH* there was. Sigh.................
Oh well.. Back to that silk purse project of mine..
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stefanie
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 8:47 PM
i did not mean to upset you fennel, not at all. its just at the end of your paragraph, it says that in some testimonials, the claim that the voice becomes more fem too.. that's all i was refering too.
i think BO could be good. but there are some companies like transfemme that overprice their products. btw, those testimonials are at least four years old. they were on of the first companies that i found when i first got onto all of this.
look at this company too. Diana is well respected in the transgendered community.
http://www.myevanesce.com/
her product though, will definitely make a man sterile and impotent after about nine months of useage.
she also disagrees that progesterone is not necessary. wrong, wrong, wrong!
also, most of her customers complain about little to no breast development but hips, butt and decreased muscle mass are common. maybe taking other supplements could help with breast growth?
this product though is for serious transition. no male fuction at all.
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 8:56 PM
Estrogen doesn't make lost hair grow back but it can effectively stop hair from falling out for as long as it is taken. So the balding stops temporarily. TS women who have gone through the full procedure including hormone treatment don't go bald. But they take hormones for the rest of their lives, don't they? The body hair can be reduced with estrogen the same way as women who get too much testosterone get more body hair. Nothing strange with that - I have experienced it myself. When I was in my early twenties, I had quite a lot of body hair and other signs of excess androgens, including no breasts. After pregnancy and the estrogenic overload that came with it, I got a femining figure and a lot less body hair. So yes, I know hormones play a big role when it comes to body hair.
When women go through menopause, they often get unwanted facial hair as a result of the decreasing levels of estrogen. I would assume that estrogen would make the male facial hair softer, thinner and slower growing.
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Fennel
(no login) I checked that link, Stefanie... May 20 2007, 9:21 PM
Interesting stuff! Have a lot of people had success with it? I wonder what exactly Evanesce and Feminol contains though. I can't find a list of the contents anywhere. Do you know what's in it? *curious* It says biological women can use it too - I wonder if it is more potent than the traditional NBE pills for women in that case? They seem to suggest that this is much more potent than the ordinary herbs. I noticed that one of the products have glandulars in the formula; I wonder if that is ovaries and in that case what herbs have they mixed it with?
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Moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 9:24 PM
"this product though is for serious transition. no male fuction at all."
Ah, see, this is not what I would want. While I do wish to become as feminine as possible, I sort of want to keep the plumbing functional if at all possible. I may never be able to go all the way through to SRS and will very likely spend the rest of my life as an * it *... More female than male but still able to enjoy sex as a female or as a male, I'll end up with either a GG or TG girl (either is fine with me)
But for now, it's working better than ever before. So much better that it shocks me, I can't imagine why this is happening because it contradicts everything I've read so far. But I'm not complaining because it's sooooo very much better than ever before.
I personally feel that my sexual functions have greatly benefited from the herbs. I can't stress enough how much better it is without going into pornographic descriptions.. As it is now, I LIKE IT and I want to keep things like this. At least as long as I can.
I full well realize that this may just be a passing, temporary phase and that somewhere down the line the well may go dry but for now, I'm going to enjoy this new found sex drive.
So far I've taken no name brand "feminization" products, just herbs that you can buy at the grocery or health food stores.
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 9:44 PM
I too have used ordinary herbs off the shelf and no brand names so far. Now using DNE Bovine Ovary which is not even marketed for breast enlargement use. Saves a lot of money! You pay for the fancy label and all the advertising when you buy the big brands. I don't think the effect would be all that different between their contents and what we can find ourselves.
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stefanie
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 10:05 PM
yes, some women have used that but i have never seen any kind of feedback.
curious though, it seems that a lot of males want the breasts and equate that to being feminine. i see it as being a man with boobs. ive seen quite a few people in transition. in most cases, (real people, bot the prn sites)they look like a man with boobs.
if i get real serious about this and before i go far on herbals, the first thing i would consider is electrolysis and facial feminization surgery. secondly, vocal feminization.
here is a good link for vocal feminization.
http://www.genderlife.com/shop/female_vo...cebook.htm
and
http://www.genderlife.com/shop/transsexu..._voice.htm
people see you, then they hear you.
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Moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 11:12 PM
I am quite sure that this process will take a long time, for me.
In a way, I wish I could wake up in the morning and be pure female from head to toe. Pure fantasy. But I still wish it. About 30 times per minute.
In my case, I've had enough electrolysis in the past that if I take the extra time to shave very slowly and carefully (in the shower) the results are quite decent, you really can't detect any sort of shadow. Compared to other males, it's a stark difference.
Compared to women, it barely holds a candle. I've 46 years of hormonal skin damage going on here and my skin is really not as it should be. I do plan to eventually to finish what I started and have it all removed forever. I must.
As for the herbs and stuff, well, yeah, I want female breasts but I also want the rest of my body to feminize too.
Thing is, there's a lot of work to do yet. I can't just shave, slap on a wig, some lipstick and a pair of pantyhose and expect to stroll around the mall and use the ladies room without getting arrested! I have to change everything about me. EVERYTHING...
I have to unlearn all the bad habits, unlearn the ways of speech, mannerisms, crudeness, and other cro-magnon behaviors.
See, all these years I've worked hard to supress what I really am and worked hard to HIDE what I really am.
In doing so, I became an Alpha Male. A *serious* Alpha Male with an aggressive, angry, Type A personality.
And it worked well, no one ever suspected a thing and when I told a few people about what was going on in my head they were shocked. I live inside a labyrinth of lies. I've erected walls and moats and turrets of lies and lies inside of lies to hide and protect the truth. To continue to live the lies I've been living will suffice for now, to cover what I'm working towards.
I have no delusions that I can just grow a pair of tits and expect everyone to see me as a woman. Tits are just ONE (actually TWO) part of the many things you need to be "pass".. Voice is another, and it's one of the toughest items there is to overcome.
But feminization of the body is pretty much a must, as is facial hair, scalp line, body shape, voice, mannerisms, clothes, etc....
Women that were born women have a huge advantage over us, they've had an entire lifetime of nature, training and practice to perfect the art of being female. We, have an entire lifetime of nature, lack of training and lack of practice at being female working against us. The barriers we must overcome are HUGE and will take a lifetime of dedication and hard work.
This is the hardest thing in the world to go through. It's like trying to swim UP Niagara Falls.
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Blu-jay
(no login) Bovine Ovary May 20 2007, 11:17 PM
If you're interested in more products like that checkout this web site.
www.herbalstimulants.com
Blu-Jay
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Blu-Jay
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 20 2007, 11:28 PM
Sorry! The right one is:
www.herbal-stimulants.com
Once again Sorry
Blu-Jay
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Alice
(Login Roundmoon) My Evanesse May 24 2007, 12:01 AM
Just a short note, i have tried this program too, Their main product is one of the strongest anti-androgens avaliable, that's herbal. It does work and will make you sterile if used for a period of time, 6 months if i'm not mistaken, which i probably am, and a great message board with LOTS of information,
And YES the lady who runs it is knowledgable, respected, and Doesn't mind letting go if you cross her. Great Lady and My Kinda Woman!!!
Alice
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moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 24 2007, 3:26 AM
What herb are they putting in their product? Any chance you picked up on that?
I'm totally wanting to know but I don't want to shell out the $$$ they want..
Nothing against them but their prices are out of my league.
Oh, and I read on another forum that a drug that folks commonly take as an anti-androgen is not the best choice, I think it was Spironolactone.
Seems that it was not invented with the intent of suppressing androgens, that's just a side effect. Apparently though, there ARE drugs that were invented specifically for that very things and work much, much better.
I'm still going to stick the course with natural herbs but I do want to learn as much as I can about the alternatives, in case this just doesn't pan out.
One more week on herbs for me, then a clean out and then I start the BO regime.
As our dear friend Fennel suggests, I plan to give it a continuous 3 month run.
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moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 29 2007, 5:03 AM
In comparison to taking all the phytoestrogens, how does BO compare?
Is it estrogen or some other variety of female hormones?
I can find a lot of basic pages saying BO will make you grow tits.
Ok fine. But I was reading that it does so by stimulating the pituitary gland.
So while taking BO, will I no longer have female hormones in my system?
As it is now, I think I have a pretty heavy dose of them in me now, I would bet if tested, I would test positive and maybe off the scale.
So when I stop taking herbs and am on only BO and anti-andro (SP) what will happen to my hormone levels? I have no doubt that there will be a feminizing effect from the BO but will it put hormones into my system, cause my system to produce it's own female hormones or neither?
Just curious. Still going to do it regardless but trying to better understand what will be happening. Also trying to figure out how I'm going to fare emotionally. I know the herbs I'm on now are playing serious games with my emotions. (no complaints, it's somewhat of an emotional comfort, yeah sounds stupid huh?)
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moonstruck
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 29 2007, 6:33 AM
Found this on the wikipedia site after searching for Bovine Ovary, that led me round and round until I was at wiki and I found this.
I am curious as to the last sentence. I don't understand what they mean by that.
I'm guess they are saying it reduces their aggressive male tendencies??
* Progesterone is used in hormone therapy for transsexual women, and some intersex women - especially when synthetic progestins have been ineffective or caused side-effects - since normal breast tissue cannot develop except in the presence of both progestogen and estrogen. Mammary glandular tissue is otherwise fibrotic, the breast shape conical and the areola immature. Progesterone can correct those even after years of inadequate hormonal treatment. Research usually cited against such value was conducted using Provera, a synthetic progestin. Progesterone also has a role in skin elasticity and bone strength, in respiration, in nerve tissue and in female sexuality, and the presence of progesterone receptors in certain muscle and fat tissue may hint at a role in sexually-dimorphic proportions of those.
Progesterone may effect male behavior: 'Progesterone receptors mediate male aggression toward infants' PNAS 2003 100: 2951-2956; 10.1073/pnas.0130100100
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Fennel
(no login) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 29 2007, 7:19 AM
Since Bovine Ovaries are real ovaries, you will be ingesting the hormones that are produced in the ovaries = mainly estrogen and also some progesterone with a higher effect than any phytoestrogens can give you. So your hormone levels will be even more estrogenic than they are now.
Lonely Sheep
(Login moonstruck61) Re: Bovine Ovary - How it works on a biological male May 29 2007, 7:42 AM
Oh goodie! So I'm in for a real estrogen fueled joy ride then!
