[Vinia]

Hello,

i'm male, 43yo and from germany.

Since i am able to think, i knew that something isn't right with me. When i started reading about gender dysphoria (ca.6 month ago) it was suddenly clear to me: i was born i the wrong body...i am 99% sure. I already ordered PM, but i wanted to get a professional opinion before doing anything drastically. Its not easy to talk about...so i took all the courage i could and went to a doc, wich send me to a psychologist. But it turns out that they are no experts in that area and they suggested to go to a special clinic in the center of Berlin. But if i wanted they will try to help me...even if its a bit experimental they said...?!? Idk what to do!

A specialist would be great i guess, but Berlin is too far / expensive for me...also its a town i dont know my way around...i feel home here where i live, so i tend to go and see what that "experimental" thing is. Another option would be to start taking hormones without consulting a medician, but i am kind of afraid. Hope to find some help here

Any suggestions, thoughts or questions are welcome.

Have a nice day!

[flamesabers]

Hello Vinia.

Welcome to the forum!

In regards to hormones vs. HRT, I think it depends.  If you're looking to transition, I think hormones would be your better bet, however, I think it's best to take hormones under a doctor's supervision.  PM I think is more suited for those with mild to moderate levels of gender dysphoria.  I've spent a fair amount of time on PM.  Other members on the forum have experience with taking hormones.

As to what to do, what are your end goals?  If you're just looking to test the waters so to speak, I suggest giving PM a chance and go from there.  If transitioning is your goal, I recommend working with the medical profession on achieving that goal.  Perhaps you can communicate via phone or video conference with the clinic in Berlin for consultation/talk therapy and get the hormones through your local doctor?  (I've never lived in Europe so I'm not sure what your treatment options are).

[Happyme]

Hi Vinia,
Thanks for joining! and congratulations on your courage!
I think Flamesabers meant herbs vs HRT.
Try looking for LGBT in your area, They should be able to point you to clinic or dr nearer to you.
University is also a good place to look for LGBT groups also.

[flamesabers]

Hi Vinia,
Thanks for joining! and congratulations on your courage!
I think Flamesabers meant herbs vs HRT.
Try looking for LGBT in your area, They should be able to point you to clinic or dr nearer to you.
University is also a good place to look for LGBT groups also.

Thanks for catching my mistake.   

Yes, I meant herbs vs. HRT.

[happyboobs]

Welcome Vinia


I would say to start slow on PM and a lot of massages etc to your breast, lots of good vitamins and dont use a whole lot of other herbs with PM, but look into the amino acids for growth hormones, GABA, MSM etc.  Lotus haas great info here on the board. But if you do want to live full time as a women then get to a Dr and be safe and monitored and get on HRT. But PM is a great jump start, just dont over do it.

I would do only 1 500 mg rated pill a day, drink lots of water and plenty of vitamin D3+ calcium too, milk, ic cream, yogurts and apply warm heat to increase the blood flow. after a few weeks do 2 500 pills a day. Many do 3 to 4, but for me it seemed every time I stopped I had more growth and evidently I settle for 1 500 and some times take 2  day But I think age for mid life males have E levels close to menopausal gals. So you can get E dominant and it only takes enough E to tip the scale and start the process and let the body and mind do the rest. But we are all so different! I learned this because I then added Progesterone and WOW well that is another thread OK..and it was just what I needed. but many even on HRt Drs dont go there, but there is so much to learn and know about P and how it helps with growth inflammation cellar protection etc.  I highly advise you read read and learn a lot from here and other T gal related sites.

Now a few words of wisdom. OK I feel like most of the others I could write a book and I should and will soon do a detailed write up on my last 8 + months. But I did many herbs on and off and other site systems, noogled, nature day etc off and on, had GYNO as a teen, but went away by late teens. Always had a decent size chest worked out a lot etc. I also wanted my own breast too and even though looked buff etc, very similar story to Jenner. Maybe I was making my inner girl as a fitness junkie.

I so many times would start stop, pitch stuff, ask myself what the hell, then like someone falling off the wagon repeat the cycle off and on for years. So I was about a 40 AA cup and a decent hand full and a part time cross dresser at home only.

So lets fast forward, new heard about PM till I came here, WOW game changer. And yes even in a month it was like new had breast buds, just fat increase in breast. The budding was sore, exciting and looks like real breast not MOOBS. Also and this is the biggest change, mentally now I feel like a girl more than a boy and really want more than cross dressing Am on the border of more girl than boy and even my bottom end and waist have dramatically changed. All was just good boob growth and am a solid pretty full B at month 6, then like BAMM middle age guy, t levels dropped since on top of the PM I stopped hard workouts, cut back to little to no caffine for past few months. Anyway sorry to ramble, but in the past 6 weeks it is like overnight my hips and thighs are like a real girl. Skin was already soft at about 2-3 months. But heck I have a touch of female looking cellulite in my thighs, and all looks of cut up quads are gone.

So in a nut shell I want to for warn you this word of advise. I just wanted some breast growth, but PM made me want to be a more of a women not just physically but more so mentally. I feel like and think more female now and love love my new body shape and feel. So  make sure to have caution, it seemed at least for me that PM mentally got me thinking so different and it is addicting like nothing I have every tried. I have to were womens pants and undies not a bad thing, but male pants wont for me all any more. I went from 40AA, waist 33, hips 36, now 38B, 30 waist and 39 hips and very full thighs.  

Lastly I was always a tad concerned that maybe the growth could to fast, to much etc But in months 4, 5, and 6 months, I kept saying weel one more month of PM is going to push me over the edge to femininity. OH FUDGE, it is like over the past few weeks in just a pair of short shorts I have good curves and you can not hide the top or the bottom. Lost a lot of strength and size and now have to eat a lot less too. and you boy parts will not work so good nor at all, and make sure you are OK with that too. I will spare the details

Anyway sorry to go on and on, this should be and is about you not me, I just wanted to give you my real world take. I was looking at just some breast growth and now well i got more than I bargained for and it is scaring me a bit since it took a HUGE growth all at once and i was not able to stop or slow down.  See my mind is now not wanting to stop , I am way happy yet a but scarred. Yet I continue.

Best to you, read a lot and make sure OK. Maybe you wont grow this good, I think I am like some of the gals on HRT, I know of a few that in like 3 months went from A or AA to C and D cups and it became a issues to fast with work, family etc.

Hugs

[Vinia]

Hello Vinia.

Welcome to the forum!

In regards to hormones vs. HRT, I think it depends.  If you're looking to transition, I think hormones would be your better bet, however, I think it's best to take hormones under a doctor's supervision.  PM I think is more suited for those with mild to moderate levels of gender dysphoria.  I've spent a fair amount of time on PM.  Other members on the forum have experience with taking hormones.

As to what to do, what are your end goals?  If you're just looking to test the waters so to speak, I suggest giving PM a chance and go from there.  If transitioning is your goal, I recommend working with the medical profession on achieving that goal.  Perhaps you can communicate via phone or video conference with the clinic in Berlin for consultation/talk therapy and get the hormones through your local doctor?  (I've never lived in Europe so I'm not sure what your treatment options are).

Hey flamesabers,

thanks for the response & help! Yes, i want to transition so badly since i finally accepted my faith. I've lived this male role for way too long, and i cant stand it anymore. BTT: I was thinking that too, that a doc would be better, because he can check blood, liver and so on before the HRT....but it seems to be a long road with some hurdles.

The video or phone option is a great idea! On the other hand i kind-of like that the therapeut dont has experience with this topic, because i dont have either. Also he might be able to consult that specialist if he needs a second opinion or additional infos...idk. Anyway: tomorrow i'll call the PIA and hopefully i got my first appointment sooner than in Berlin (i heard there are really long waiting lists).

Regarding the payment of it all: it will get paid by Health Insurance, IF i can live in the desired gender for 12-24 months (24/7) without any surgery or hormones. Its called "Alltagstest" (everyday test). I am not 100% sure, maybe you can get the HRT getting started before that test.

[Vinia]

Hi Vinia,
Thanks for joining! and congratulations on your courage!
I think Flamesabers meant herbs vs HRT.
Try looking for LGBT in your area, They should be able to point you to clinic or dr nearer to you.
University is also a good place to look for LGBT groups also.

Hi Happyme,

thanx for the welcome! Oh right, that makes more sence...but i blamed my english and the lack of knowledge

Well, i know of one LGBT group here in my town...that the kind nurse at the PIA told me about. And i will contact them for help with all the bureaucracy (like a new ID) and all the other stuff i dont know about yet. Thanks for mentioning it. But first i really need to get the HRT starting, its probably the first question i have for my therapeut. Hopefully a lot of the tension, stress or anxiety will go away and i'll be more myself. TBH i kinda became an introvert in the last years, and that is not my real nature...i guess that's the consequences of trying to suppress your real/inner you! So kids, take that as a bad example

[Vinia]

Welcome Vinia


I would say to start slow on PM and a lot of massages etc to your breast, lots of good vitamins and dont use a whole lot of other herbs with PM, but look into the amino acids for growth hormones, GABA, MSM etc.  Lotus haas great info here on the board. But if you do want to live full time as a women then get to a Dr and be safe and monitored and get on HRT. But PM is a great jump start, just dont over do it.

I would do only 1 500 mg rated pill a day, drink lots of water and plenty of vitamin D3+ calcium too, milk, ic cream, yogurts and apply warm heat to increase the blood flow. after a few weeks do 2 500 pills a day. Many do 3 to 4, but for me it seemed every time I stopped I had more growth and evidently I settle for 1 500 and some times take 2  day But I think age for mid life males have E levels close to menopausal gals. So you can get E dominant and it only takes enough E to tip the scale and start the process and let the body and mind do the rest. But we are all so different! I learned this because I then added Progesterone and WOW well that is another thread OK..and it was just what I needed. but many even on HRt Drs dont go there, but there is so much to learn and know about P and how it helps with growth inflammation cellar protection etc.  I highly advise you read read and learn a lot from here and other T gal related sites.

Now a few words of wisdom. OK I feel like most of the others I could write a book and I should and will soon do a detailed write up on my last 8 + months. But I did many herbs on and off and other site systems, noogled, nature day etc off and on, had GYNO as a teen, but went away by late teens. Always had a decent size chest worked out a lot etc. I also wanted my own breast too and even though looked buff etc, very similar story to Jenner. Maybe I was making my inner girl as a fitness junkie.

I so many times would start stop, pitch stuff, ask myself what the hell, then like someone falling off the wagon repeat the cycle off and on for years. So I was about a 40 AA cup and a decent hand full and a part time cross dresser at home only.

So lets fast forward, new heard about PM till I came here, WOW game changer. And yes even in a month it was like new had breast buds, just fat increase in breast. The budding was sore, exciting and looks like real breast not MOOBS. Also and this is the biggest change, mentally now I feel like a girl more than a boy and really want more than cross dressing Am on the border of more girl than boy and even my bottom end and waist have dramatically changed. All was just good boob growth and am a solid pretty full B at month 6, then like BAMM middle age guy, t levels dropped since on top of the PM I stopped hard workouts, cut back to little to no caffine for past few months. Anyway sorry to ramble, but in the past 6 weeks it is like overnight my hips and thighs are like a real girl. Skin was already soft at about 2-3 months. But heck I have a touch of female looking cellulite in my thighs, and all looks of cut up quads are gone.

So in a nut shell I want to for warn you this word of advise. I just wanted some breast growth, but PM made me want to be a more of a women not just physically but more so mentally. I feel like and think more female now and love love my new body shape and feel. So  make sure to have caution, it seemed at least for me that PM mentally got me thinking so different and it is addicting like nothing I have every tried. I have to were womens pants and undies not a bad thing, but male pants wont for me all any more. I went from 40AA, waist 33, hips 36, now 38B, 30 waist and 39 hips and very full thighs.  

Lastly I was always a tad concerned that maybe the growth could to fast, to much etc But in months 4, 5, and 6 months, I kept saying weel one more month of PM is going to push me over the edge to femininity. OH FUDGE, it is like over the past few weeks in just a pair of short shorts I have good curves and you can not hide the top or the bottom. Lost a lot of strength and size and now have to eat a lot less too. and you boy parts will not work so good nor at all, and make sure you are OK with that too. I will spare the details

Anyway sorry to go on and on, this should be and is about you not me, I just wanted to give you my real world take. I was looking at just some breast growth and now well i got more than I bargained for and it is scaring me a bit since it took a HUGE growth all at once and i was not able to stop or slow down.  See my mind is now not wanting to stop , I am way happy yet a but scarred. Yet I continue.

Best to you, read a lot and make sure OK. Maybe you wont grow this good, I think I am like some of the gals on HRT, I know of a few that in like 3 months went from A or AA to C and D cups and it became a issues to fast with work, family etc.

Hugs

Hi Happyboobs,

thank your for your suggestions and sharing your experiences!
Wow, you tried alot of stuff & things and seem to get what you want...over time. You must be one of those lucky ones! OIC your name is very fitting then :   PM seems to be very powerfull...i read that it also makes your scalp hair grow thicker and faster? Also someone wrote it will change your voice a tiny bit, but barely noticable? Dont know if i believe that. Also it has some effects on the brain cells too, but idk what exactly or how.

I am 1,88cm, around 70kg and never had a very manly body. Chest or back hair is non existent apart from some fuzzy hairs near the areolas. My legs are covered, but its not that much/dense and also very thin hairs...same for the lower arms. So if i start with PM its like a domino effect? You push the first one and it starts a chain reaction? I dont know if the health insurrance will step out of paying the bills if i took hormones by myself before. But tbh its so tempting to just taking 1 little capsule! No! Resist!  :  But other Transgenders said they felt a whole lot better right after start taking Hormones! I know! I KNOW!    Well...guess i am not far from getting schizophrenia as well :  JK

Hug back

[happyboobs]

My scalp hair did get a little thicker, but I have great hair already, but gray is like I am 15 years younger, and body hair is about no more on chest and thighs. But all the same place girls have hair I still do, but most of it is lighter in color and not as course. I see no change to voice at all for me.

I think face is the same too, but overall less wrinkles look like as the hair like 15 years younger. I wish you the best.

This is one of 100s of links to learn a bit more about it.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/pue...a#section9

Also research Miroestrol,  is very similar to the 3rd and weakest form in the estrogen family, but is similar to  Estriol, an estrogen that has virtually been ignored by the mainstream medical community, is one of the three principal estrogens produced by the body. Estriol was originally thought to have little significance due to its weak estrogenic activity when compared with estrone and estradiol. Nonetheless, research has found that its weakness may very well be its strength.

tudies suggest that when the lower-potency estrogen, estriol, is administered topically, it does not increase the risk of hormone-dependent cancers of the breast or endometrium (uterine lining).1-3 However, having weaker estrogenic effects does not mean that estriol has none of the benefits that come with more potent estrogens. Studies suggest that estriol reduces symptoms of menopause, such as hot flashes and vaginal dryness, but with a better safety profile compared with more potent estrogens.1,4,5 This makes estriol a better choice for bioidentical hormone-replacement treatment regimes.

That is not all this 'weak' hormone is good for! Research suggests that estriol has benefits for bone density, heart health, multiple sclerosis, and postmenopausal urinary tract health.6-12 In this article, we will review the attributes of this 'weaker' estrogen, and why this estrogen is currently in the news.


I would read this too

https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2...th/Page-01

Many of the better NON synesthetic creams made for women contain this form of E. Is suppose to help with inflammation, and protect cells. In most cases it helps prevent cancer. But I am NO DOCTOR so read and use and your own risk.

PS To much of anything is NO GOOD, you dont want to be E dominant, would be great to get  quick hormone test to know what your E and T levels are, then in 3-6 months test again.

Also a thought I must say, your Blood Pressure is OK right and you are in good shape? All this stuff pushes the body somewhat, but I seem to find it has a lot of healing benefits too.

The composition of Pueraria Candollei variant Mirifica (Pueraria Mirifica) is: The Chromene compounds Miroestrol, a phytoestrogen known to be the primary active ingredient as well as both Deoxymiroestrol and Isomiroestrol; the 'main' chromene in name, Miroestrol, is at approximately 0.002% of the plant by dry weight.

[flamesabers]

Hey flamesabers,

thanks for the response & help! Yes, i want to transition so badly since i finally accepted my faith. I've lived this male role for way too long, and i cant stand it anymore. BTT: I was thinking that too, that a doc would be better, because he can check blood, liver and so on before the HRT....but it seems to be a long road with some hurdles.

The video or phone option is a great idea! On the other hand i kind-of like that the therapeut dont has experience with this topic, because i dont have either. Also he might be able to consult that specialist if he needs a second opinion or additional infos...idk. Anyway: tomorrow i'll call the PIA and hopefully i got my first appointment sooner than in Berlin (i heard there are really long waiting lists).

Regarding the payment of it all: it will get paid by Health Insurance, IF i can live in the desired gender for 12-24 months (24/7) without any surgery or hormones. Its called "Alltagstest" (everyday test). I am not 100% sure, maybe you can get the HRT getting started before that test.

Hi again Vinia,

Hopefully you get an appointment setup in the near future.

I think the everyday test used to be a standard requirement in the US, but I've heard it's now being done away with, depending on what state one's living on.  I wouldn't be surprised if the same change is happening in Germany and other European countries.