[Lotus]

Hi Therasa, 

Sounds like you have a few things working towards lowering your sperm count. Saw palmetto is supposed to benefit the prostate, and by that benefit it helps with semen production. I don't think SP is the culprit. PM on the other hand, is the main culprit in low sperm. Mostly you'll find rat studies to confirm that PM lowers sperm count, impairs seminal vessels (sperm production) but…we know it's absolutely true at Breastnexum. On top of that, PM lowers testicular weights and shrinks the penis (just like HRT does). I've heard suggestions to counter penis shrinkage by wearing a cock ring on & off, I have no evidence to back that claim lol. You might see a darkening on the underside of your penis. The thing here is there's aromatase expression in the testes and penis. So, when you lose testosterone in those areas things start to shrink…or, your new normal. 


Effects of Pueraria mirifica, an herb containing phytoestrogens, on reproductive organs and fertility of adult male mice
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17185797/

Only the PM-100 treatment reduced weights of epididymis and seminal vesicle and the sperm motility and viability.

Diet and sperm quality: Nutrients, foods and dietary patterns
Albert Salas-Huetos et al. Reprod Biol. 2019 Sep.
Abstract

Human semen quality has declined worldwide in the last 40 years, by some accounts as much as 50-60%, causing serious concerns and implications for human fertility. Even though it has been shown to be a worldwide problem, this decrease is more pronounced in developed and industrialized countries, pointing to changes in modifiable lifestyle factors (e.g. unhealthy diets, lifestyles, and pollution) as the main causes. Studies investigating the relation between diet and semen quality can be classified into three groups; studies assessing the association between semen quality and 1) nutrients, dietary supplements and antioxidants, 2) food, and 3) dietary patterns. The present narrative review provides a wide-ranging vision of the positive associations and effects of diet on sperm quality. Although the picture of the relationship between diet and sperm quality and fertility is far from complete, a number of broad conclusions have emerged. First, increased intake of selenium and zinc, omega-3 (ω-3) fatty acids, CoenzymeQ10 (CoQ10) and carnitine supplements have been positively related to sperm quality. In terms of food groups, vegetables, fruits, nuts and whole cereals, all rich in fiber and antioxidants, and fish, seafood, shellfish, poultry, and low-fat dairy products have been positively associated with sperm quality. Finally, adherence to healthy dietary patterns is positively associated with sperm concentration and sperm motility.

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Also, hyaluronic acid may improve semen quality too. In clinical lab experiments (human/animal) studies show the use of hyaluronic acid improves semen quality. However, when there's an increase of BMI, sperm count is lowered too. Exercise helps to correct this though. 


Hyaluronan bound mature sperm count (HB-MaSC) is a more informative indicator of fertility than conventional sperm parameters: Correlations with Body Mass Index (BMI)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30772339/

[Therasa]

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Hi Therasa,&nbsp;

[color=#000000][size=small][font=Arial]Sounds like you have a few things working towards lowering your sperm count. Saw palmetto is supposed to benefit the prostate, and by that benefit it helps with semen production. I don't think SP is the culprit. PM on the other hand, is the main culprit in low sperm. Mostly you'll find rat studies to confirm that PM lowers sperm count, impairs seminal vessels (sperm production) but…we know it's absolutely true at Breastnexum. On top of that, PM lowers testicular weights and shrinks the penis (just like HRT does). I've heard suggestions to counter penis shrinkage by wearing a cock ring on &amp; off, I have no evidence to back that claim lol. You might see a darkening on the underside of your penis. The thing here is there's aromatase expression in the testes and penis. So, when you lose testosterone in those areas things start to shrink…or, your new normal.

Thanks Lotus! I think the same day this initially happened, I hit a 5 day break period in my talking PM and it was about 9 days AFTER I started taking the SP. That is why I wondered if the SP might be a factor, but it could just be the PM was kicking in. Yes one of the things that may have moved me forward in the progress is I already had very low T enough that my doctor had had me try Testoteone patches.....about $400 a month! I stopped taking them because they also had a tendencey to make testicles shrink and stop producing any Testosterone. I start back on PM Friday this week...and I just have not had any desire in the past two days to see masturbate and see what might happen...

[Lotus]

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Thanks Lotus! I think the same day this initially happened, I hit a 5 day break period in my talking PM and it was about 9 days AFTER I started taking the SP. That is why I wondered if the SP might be a factor, but it could just be the PM was kicking in. Yes one of the things that may have moved me forward in the progress is I already had very low T enough that my doctor had had me try Testoteone patches.....about $400 a month! I stopped taking them because they also had a tendencey to make testicles shrink and stop producing any Testosterone. I start back on PM Friday this week...and I just have not had any desire in the past two days to see masturbate and see what might happen...

Therasa this sounds so familiar...oh wait, cause it happened to me lol. Give depo testosterone to a man with low T and watch what happens. They should rename it Testo-estradiol because all the T goes to estradiol via aromatase. More commonly this is known as a Supraphysiologic dose. 

All that T can't be converted because T is in the crapper to begin with, so the body does what it's been recently programmed at which is a hyper estrogenic state. 

If docs gave an aromatase inhibitor first it would prime the playing field (so to speak) to restore T. No wonder you have zero T. 

Happy Growing Therasa...welcome to the club.

[Stevenator.]

You have my attention ..... (Welcome Back). 

Depo Testosterone ??

I’m confused about, “watch what happens”, because too much estradiol doesn’t do anything, right? I mean, if you’re on 6mg, you shouldn’t take 12mg ..... etc. 

Thx

[Therasa]

Thanks Lotus! I think the same day this initially happened, I hit a 5 day break period in my talking PM and it was about 9 days AFTER I started taking the SP. That is why I wondered if the SP might be a factor, but it could just be the PM was kicking in. Yes one of the things that may have moved me forward in the progress is I already had very low T enough that my doctor had had me try Testoteone patches.....about $400 a month! I stopped taking them because they also had a tendencey to make testicles shrink and stop producing any Testosterone. I start back on PM Friday this week...and I just have not had any desire in the past two days to see masturbate and see what might happen...[/font][/size][/color]

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Therasa this sounds so familiar...oh wait, cause it happened to me lol. Give depo testosterone to a man with low T and watch what happens. They should rename it Testo-estradiol because all the T goes to estradiol via aromatase. More commonly this is known as a [/font][/size][/color]Supraphysiologic dose.&nbsp;

All that T can't be converted because T is in the crapper to begin with, so the body does what it's been recently programmed at which is a hyper estrogenic state.&nbsp;

If docs gave an aromatase inhibitor first it would prime the playing field (so to speak) to restore T. No wonder you have zero T.&nbsp;

[color=#000000][size=small][font=Arial]Happy Growing Therasa...welcome to the club.

Lotus, thanks again for your response. And I am able to understand all that you were telling me. That is very helpful. Yesterday evening was different I am on day 3 of a 5 day break of PM and last night I had semen. So It really seems to be the PM that was pushing the T so low that no semen was being created. Again, you responses were very helpful on the science behind what is happening even to the Testosterone patches I used for a while.&nbsp;</p>

[Therasa]

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Thanks Lotus! I think the same day this initially happened, I hit a 5 day break period in my talking PM and it was about 9 days AFTER I started taking the SP. That is why I wondered if the SP might be a factor, but it could just be the PM was kicking in. Yes one of the things that may have moved me forward in the progress is I already had very low T enough that my doctor had had me try Testoteone patches.....about $400 a month! I stopped taking them because they also had a tendencey to make testicles shrink and stop producing any Testosterone. I start back on PM Friday this week...and I just have not had any desire in the past two days to see masturbate and see what might happen...[/font][/size][/color]

Therasa this sounds so familiar...oh wait, cause it happened to me lol. Give depo testosterone to a man with low T and watch what happens. They should rename it Testo-estradiol because all the T goes to estradiol via aromatase. More commonly this is known as a Supraphysiologic dose.

All that T can't be converted because T is in the crapper to begin with, so the body does what it's been recently programmed at which is a hyper estrogenic state.&nbsp;[/font][/size][/color]

If docs gave an aromatase inhibitor first it would prime the playing field (so to speak) to restore T. No wonder you have zero T.

Happy Growing Therasa...welcome to the club. <img src="https://www.breastnexum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif" data-sceditor-emoticon="" alt="" title="">

Lotus, thanks again for your response. And I am able to understand all that you were telling me. That is very helpful. Yesterday evening was different I am on day 3 of a 5 day break of PM and last night I had semen. So It really seems to be the PM that was pushing the T so low that no semen was being created. Again, you responses were very helpful on the science behind what is happening even to the Testosterone patches I used for a while.&nbsp;
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I am going to do one last post in this thread and let it go stale from my perspective. I have found that if I wait two or three days for the semen to build back up, that I can have somehting close to a normal orgasm. But if I try to do this daily, I can orgasm, but do not ejaculate. The semen is more clear similar to what Lotus has said. My next batch of PM should arrive tomorrow and I will get back onto my 1,000 dosage again starting then. Thanks to all who commented here, I appreciate you feedback and encouragements.