[Lisa Jenn]

Hi All, First a little background... I found this forum, read a lot for a week or so and joined a couple of days ago.

I am a TG, part-time, and have used breast enhancers as most of us do to make up for the lack of ... well, you know...

I started a regimen about 3 weeks ago of FG-620x2 , SP-450x2, RC-400x1, 3 times a day and a Menopause capsule containing Black Cohosh and Soy once per day. Added to this I massage 2-3 times a day using Olive Oil with a dropper of FG Extract, total massage rotations of 100-300 each breast per session. I plan on adding a week of daily progesterone cream massage once every four weeks after 6 weeks of the above regimen. I ordered a NB a couple of days ago based on the info I saw on this site and am waiting for delivery to begin that.

My question is on male success. I have read a lot of Cheryl's posts, but seeing she has a hormonal issue I would not think that her results are normal for a bio male. (BTW - Cheryl has the lactating stopped and are you doing okay?) Can some of the males on here share with me success they have had and time it has taken? And your regimen. Herb success? NB success?

Given our unique circumstances I think it would be good for us to utilize this area of the forum for support and encouragement, share tips, and success and failures.

I am tall and thin, a true ectomorph. My initial measurements were in the 38AAA range (NADA!!!). After 3 weeks there has been negligible fullness increase. I am now a 38AA and a 38A push up bra I have actually gives me some cleavage... not much, but at this stage I will take what I can get!!! I am experiencing nipple tenderness (which I am not sure if that is from the massage) and some breast tissue soreness above the nipple.

So, sorry to run on, but I would really appreciate hearing from other bio males on what works and what hasn't, and what you have achieved, and of course, how permanent it has been. I know with the NB that results are not totall perm, but that is okay with me as the swelling for a few hours or over a weekend after long term use would be perfect for my dual roles.

THANKS for your responses!

Hugs,
Lisa

[Cheryl1989]

Hi Lisa, i think there are quite alot of men who have had some good results with PM and BO and the noogleberry and so on so hopefully they will comment hun. As far as my lactation goes well im lactating by choice at the min dont ask lol its kind of a personal choice i have made and i find it amazing and feel so lucky to be able to experience it so its cool lol. Anyway good luck and i hope to speak to you again hun.

Hugs Cheryl xxxx

[Chrissiegirl]

Lisa,
Follow my posts; I do not want to keep om repeating myself ad nauseum.
In short men can & do do grow boobs, on a herbal regime. I have recently moved into living fulltime as a woman, because of the wonderous and joyfull effects of PM; how good is life?
I will gladly answer your questions because I know what a crap place so many transgendered people live in. However, the basic principal is; herbs work. Great patience is required and you will emerege as a hugely nicer person. I do not want to sound short or patronising, but the information is out there and my keyboard skills are crap! Good luck to you girl; the best I can wish on anyone is an easy and happy transitoin, then you are among the blessed.
Big hugs, boob to boob sister
Lots of love,
Chrissie

[sfem]

Like Chrissiegirl said, lots of answers to this question in the forum. In short, for myself, a year of typical herbal NBE produced less than two months of PM. I am in my 4th month of PM now and they are impossible to hide now. I fit into some of my 38a's very nicely (some make cleavage). I even fit a couple of 38b's, although most seem to think you should be keeping small animals in the extra cup space or something. Very happy with my progress on PM. I do also still take small amounts of fenugreek, but that is actually for IBS which it works very nicely for.

[hoselover]

A lot of you are using PM. I still only use SP and Hops. After a year I have gone from totally flat to a AA / small A cup. Also my waist became more slim and I have less space in my trousers around my bum so I guess my bum grew as well so far. I will continue to become a little more fuller in the buste. I like to come to a A cup and then try to maintain that.

[Chrissiegirl]

I have discarded 2 bras in the last 2 weeks, as they were giving me the dreaded 4 boob look. QED PM works; so much so, I now live full time as Chrissie, with no going back- all my male clothes have gone.

[Lisa Jenn]

Hi All,

I enjoyed reading your posts! It is good to hear of your success. As time allows I am doing my best to cull through the forum, but there is so much and honestly it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff!

Chrissie, congratulations to you, hon, I am happy for you. It must be a terrific feeling to finally be in the place you have wanted to be for so long.

My news is, I measured this morning after my third full week and my cup measurement has increased a full 3/4 inch! WOW!

I have been faithful with my herb and massage regimen and it looks like it is paying off. The next two weeks will be a challenge as I will go to visit family for the holidays, but plan on keeping to my regimen as best I can. I have ordered an NB, and hope it is delivered before I leave mid week. If it does, I should be able to use it at least at night before I go to sleep and in the early mornings.

One thing I noticed this week is a marked reduction in tenderness in my nipple area and upper breast. Is this normal? I have read so much about cycles, and am hoping this is normal, and not a stall already.

Yesterday at a Christmas party I had two close friends remark that they smelled an odor of maple syrup... I was MORTIFIED!!! I had massaged after showering to get ready for the party and realized my fenugreek was noticeable... ordered some wild yam extract this morning already to substitute for it in my morning massage routine.

After reading several posts I am also ordering a 38A bra. Being an AA now, I think that will give me a good idea of any progression I may make in the coming weeks/months. Any of you US types know of any websites with inexpensive small cup bras???

I have decided to stay with the herbs for a full 90 days, and if no improvement, consider the transition to PM. I am still concerned about the effect on my sexual ability, because I am sexually active, so any input on that would be great. My big question is, if I do start PM and it affects my ability will taking ED medication such as Cialis or Viagra help?

Happy growing sweeties and Happy Holidays to you all.

Hugs,
Lisa

[Chrissiegirl]

Lisa,
Thanks for the congrats; I can truly say that I did not know that a person could live in a place of such contentement and realise that I had lived my live on the borders of depression. As you are doing, I used my tosterterone fueled sex drive, to try and suppress the reality of who I was; bad mistake. Is it better to have sex drive or be contented?
I still am a sensual being who admires beauty and have an inner sense of sexuality, but I am no longer consumed by it. Besides, many post Op transexuals, have active sex lives. Anything that produces boobs, will have other impacts on you, including an effect on male function. An even greater impact is on your personality and mood. Hormones control our brains and with that, who we are. An oestrogen controled brain produces a calmer, less aggressive person and you may well come to like that person so much you cannot let her go. These are changes I have embraced on my voyage into womanhood and nothing that has happenned to me has caused me to deviate, in the slightest from my course.
I urge you to look into the Dutch research on the cause of transexualism and remember that it is a world of anxiety, angst and even severe mental illness, leading to suicide, due to a phycical condition. Look deep into your soul and ask yourself how you see yourself, in your fantasies or when you lie awake at night; have you yearned to wake up the next day as a woman? Remember, there is no such thing as a part time transexual and by trying to grow boobs, you point that way, rather than to someone, who wants to remain male but enjoys a bit of femmaninity The earlier you can transition the easier it will be and the better the oucome and never underestimate the levels of support you will find, particularily among women. I know only too well, how hard all of this is and many run away from it and become trapped in the most ditressing of circumstances.
Big Hugs,
Chrissie

[Lisa Jenn]

Hi Chrissie,

Thank you for another thoughtful post. I know that there are already some personality changes I am experiencing, not sure if they are related to the increase of E because of the herbs, or placebo effect, but I do know I am calmer and more laid back. A woman I am seeing remarked the other night that I seem much more "cuddly" than I have ever been and am more sensitive, patient and calmer. Interesting comments to say the least.

Full transition is not something that I am considering. I really enjoy both of my worlds. There are parts of me that are definitely male and parts definitely female (and hopefully growing! ). My periodic forays out with a TG group I am a part of are wonderful, as are my almost constant femme expression at home. Yes, in some significant ways reality comes crashing down when I assume the male personna in my "normal" life, but there are many things in my life that dictate that reality. Yes, I have thought about dealing with any larger than normal breast growth and how I will explain it if it happens, and as for personality changes, I think that will be a definite plus in all of my relationships.

I am so happy for those, like you, who make a full transition and find happiness and fulfillment with it. As for me, my androgynous world is a happy place for me. I see myself as 'transgendered" in the truest definition of the word/concept, enjoying thoroughly the best of the male and female parts of me. Instead of running away, I truly embrace and celebrate the unique person I am.

I wish you continued happiness in your journey, and look forward to your wonderfully insightful posts.

Hugs,
Lisa

[Chrissiegirl]

Lisa,
Bless you, what a lovely reply. I am so happy for you; that your mind is becomng more femme; the loveliest space, in all the world.
I have sent out Xmas cards, explaining where I am and had a phone call,today, from a friend, who is very in to books, and is very aware of Jan Morris. He was a bit thrown but had recognised that I had lived my life, on the edge of deppresion; now, I feel, "who is the happiest girl, in all the world?". How good does life get?
Big Hugs Sister- Boob to boob,
Chrissie