[Heaven's Night]

Some pics I took today. No makeup, no tricks. Filling the bra quite nicely.

[Stevenator.]

That full bra photo is a good look for you.

[Lotus]

Hi Didi,

An endocrinologist once told me, and I quote

...yup, those are real female breasts

though he followed up by saying I could get those removed. Lol, I went from jubilation to utter shock in less than 30 seconds. Needless to say, the only thing I got rid of was him. Didi, those are real breasts. 

I heard he retired, however, I'd like to inform him of my upcoming orchi (orchiectomy, a surgery in which one or more testicles are removed) which both testes will be removed lol. JulieTG would have something snappy to say about this, kinda like when she warned me about jumping the proverbal transgender fence she'd tell people about...never to be heard from again, and that happens more often than not here when someone gets SRS and we never hear from them again, so sad. 

I think you're experiencing that dreaded T spike once someone starts inhibiting T. I liken this as a way T goes down kicking and screaming " NO GD, you ain't getting rid of me that fast "  

Meaning testosterone wants to re-establish itself once it's been given the eviction to start shutting down the T factory. As I've stated this is temporary...maybe a month (or less) depending on the person. Once the T/E (testosterone/estrogen) has been changed favoring Estrogen you see things simmer down. I'm certain you woke up not feeling tingling was due to the above stated explanation. So, fear not Didi (and others), it's a temporary thang. 

I hope no one has to face a transphobic health care professional dashing one's hopes, dreams and goals. That's what pushed me to get hormones through DIY methods for about a year. Then, I sought out a trans care doctor to officially begin HRT in early 2015 (or HRT proper as some would call it). Here's the actual thread called "Real" concerning doctor neanderthal:
https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=20098

Didi, I hope you don't mind that I'm adding information about the breast hemi-circumference method of monitoring breast growth. It's gonna tell you whether your breasts growth comes from vertically or horizontally. It'll also pick up on any symmetry issues. 

I'm also sending you a pm on another matter, so look out for that to came

Perhaps some have seen the following information on reddit(?), if not it's a compilation of breast measuring tools. Of interest to myself are two measuring techniques.

1. Breast Hemicircumference
   
   
   
   
2. Breast units
   

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Now the hemicircumference is measured across (3 to 6 o'clock) your breasts...this gives you cup size.

The second is measured (in centimeters) from 3 to 6 o'clock and from 12 to 6 o'clock. This tool can tell you if your breasts are growing, and not just on width but horizontal too. And these two numbers are multiplied. Too bad the graph doesn't show adult boobage numbers, I haven't been able to find such a chart. Maybe we can make our own here?.

These are my numbers as of last week:
R 33x23=759
L 31x23=713...a difference of 46.

This measuring tool will tell you if you have asymmetry (one breast is larger or smaller than the other).

Perhaps someone would like to create a new thread for folks to share their data. And if one of their breasts are asymmetric we hopefully help overcome this with different techniques.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TransBreastTimelines/comments/f8q2w2/how_to_take_simple_breast_measurements_101/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share



Don't click on the breast unit links...spam ad pops up.

diometres, thanks for the feedback, I'll catch you tomorrow.

[Heaven's Night]

Awww, Lotus, you're being so nice to me. <3 <3 Oh yea, I remember that thread. And that's one of the nicest things I can think of hearing from someone. Its kinda sad that this seems to happen time and again... But I promise you lovelies that I'm gonna stick around for at least to take a peek and tell how I'm doing from time to time even if I went inactive. I doubt I will for a long time, but there are times when I'm so busy elsewhere I might disappear for some time... Only to show up later once again.

About jumping the fence, I'm already laying the mental groundwork for that. Will it include surgery... That I can't know just yet, but I'm open for pretty much anything. But also not in a rush. Kinda.  

Yea, this might very well be the T spike going on. I've had that happen several times when starting PM after a break. But now I don't see all the symptoms of that. Higher energy levels, some mood swings and boobies being not that 'awake'. And size fluctuating, I just took measurements and bust was 0,2" less than yesterday, band unchanged. Its interesting to see how this works with some numbers to read.

Thanks for the info on measuring, I've seen that before but didn't read it well yet. And I'm doing some measurements and getting interesting data. L 26x20=520 R 27x20=540 This is surprising, my right boob is slightly bigger, when I started it was the other way around and I have been giving the right side much more attention with massage... Looks like massage works. They're so close though, almost no difference. The only difficulty here is to know where the boob begins, where to put the end of the tape... And then do it consistently.

Its day six on reishi and this time I managed to snap a picture of the lovely morning puffiness that seems to be picking up the pace again.

[wee2er]

Awww, Lotus, you're being so nice to me. <3 <3 Oh yea, I remember that thread. And that's one of the nicest things I can think of hearing from someone. Its kinda sad that this seems to happen time and again... But I promise you lovelies that I'm gonna stick around for at least to take a peek and tell how I'm doing from time to time even if I went inactive. I doubt I will for a long time, but there are times when I'm so busy elsewhere I might disappear for some time... Only to show up later once again.

About jumping the fence, I'm already laying the mental groundwork for that. Will it include surgery... That I can't know just yet, but I'm open for pretty much anything. But also not in a rush. Kinda.  

Yea, this might very well be the T spike going on. I've had that happen several times when starting PM after a break. But now I don't see all the symptoms of that. Higher energy levels, some mood swings and boobies being not that 'awake'. And size fluctuating, I just took measurements and bust was 0,2" less than yesterday, band unchanged. Its interesting to see how this works with some numbers to read.

Thanks for the info on measuring, I've seen that before but didn't read it well yet. And I'm doing some measurements and getting interesting data. L 26x20=520 R 27x20=540 This is surprising, my right boob is slightly bigger, when I started it was the other way around and I have been giving the right side much more attention with massage... Looks like massage works. They're so close though, almost no difference. The only difficulty here is to know where the boob begins, where to put the end of the tape... And then do it consistently.

Its day six on reishi and this time I managed to snap a picture of the lovely morning puffiness that seems to be picking up the pace again.

WOW DiDI, they are such beautiful breasts, I know you have doubts but they are just wonderful, I love the morning puffiness, you are doing so well

[Heaven's Night]

Things are clearly working to my favor. Cleaning up my diet and updated NBE program are doing their job. I have been taking daily measurements now and there's a pattern emerging of band getting shorter and bust staying the same or slightly growing even. I'm just one week in with this and it seems that its getting better fast.  

I snapped a full body pic to show what's up. I think my waist is slightly shrinking too. Daylight photo so no crazy shadows to help out. What do you think?

[wee2er]

Things are clearly working to my favor. Cleaning up my diet and updated NBE program are doing their job. I have been taking daily measurements now and there's a pattern emerging of band getting shorter and bust staying the same or slightly growing even. I'm just one week in with this and it seems that its getting better fast.  

I snapped a full body pic to show what's up. I think my waist is slightly shrinking too. Daylight photo so no crazy shadows to help out. What do you think?

DiDi, things are definitely working in your favour, you've developed such a lovely female form, WOW you look absolutely fantastic 

[Heaven's Night]

Thanks Wee2er. And yet million miles to go where I wish to be. Its a mountain to climb really.

[Heaven's Night]

So, I've been numbers crunching and made a basis for a graph to visualize bust measure growth. I'm thinking of making a more elaborate one which will include band measure, band/bust ratios and breast volume all in one graph, or divided into several simpler ones.

I am now ten days into the full "Lotus program" and already I'm seeing a pattern emerging, albeit with margin or error and natural fluctuation showing up as expected. Both band and bust measurements seem to have an error margin of 0,1"-0,3" so they are there not as absolutes, but to give a decent idea of the big picture given enough time to gather the data. The emerging pattern is that my band length appears to be getting shorter, while breasts have kept the same measurement or slightly more even, which means that I'm loosing fat and/or muscle from my back, while boobies are growing. But its too early to get into conclusions after only ten days in, but the direction is clear, BIGGER boobs. Period.

My plan here is to keep on doing daily or once every two to three days measurements, bust + band + breast volume and I measure each several times to get a realistic approximate which I will then mark down on my diary. Band is measured at the lowest point of exhaling while keeping the tape tight, bust measured on the thickest part across the breasts while at the highest point of inhale... This ofc gives the largest bust/band ratio, but it also gives the most accurate idea of which bra size to aim for to find a perfect fit. The numbers are of course most importantly about gauging breast growth. I will try to keep doing this with consistency to get the most accurate data possible, despite of which program I will be on, be it herbal or HRT.

If I will successfully keep this going, in few years, I will have very accurate data points for making direct correlations between my NBE program and breast growth. Even though I may be born under lucky stars on breast growth genetics, this will likely give a great general insight on what makes bio male breasts tick. Also, this is a great opportunity to put Lotus's ideas to a test, even though proven many times to work, I haven't seen such detailed account on daily basis since Day1 of a complete NBE program so I want to be first in line to do this.

I'll do my best to keep the diary updated each day, I would think in several weeks I will have enough numbers to be able to start predicting the possible future and to provide you guys and girls with some data to look at. I happen to have a weird love for keeping stats and playing with numbers so this for me is a fun experiment. I thought to also make notes at the graphs on dates when what ever detail about my program/health etc. so it will be easier to correlate the numbers with what's being done.

So far the last approx. six months have given me fantastic growth in almost continuous spurt, and the latest additions to my program seem to be taking things on the high gear. Wish me luck, I'm hoping to give this community something back as its given me so much. You're worth it. <3


EDIT:
Everyone likes pictures, right? I had fun taking some. Here, catch.

[Happyme]

So, I've been numbers crunching and made a basis for a graph to visualize bust measure growth. I'm thinking of making a more elaborate one which will include band measure, band/bust ratios and breast volume all in one graph, or divided into several simpler ones.

I am now ten days into the full "Lotus program" and already I'm seeing a pattern emerging, albeit with margin or error and natural fluctuation showing up as expected. Both band and bust measurements seem to have an error margin of 0,1"-0,3" so they are there not as absolutes, but to give a decent idea of the big picture given enough time to gather the data. The emerging pattern is that my band length appears to be getting shorter, while breasts have kept the same measurement or slightly more even, which means that I'm loosing fat and/or muscle from my back, while boobies are growing. But its too early to get into conclusions after only ten days in, but the direction is clear, BIGGER boobs. Period.

My plan here is to keep on doing daily or once every two to three days measurements, bust + band + breast volume and I measure each several times to get a realistic approximate which I will then mark down on my diary. Band is measured at the lowest point of exhaling while keeping the tape tight, bust measured on the thickest part across the breasts while at the highest point of inhale... This ofc gives the largest bust/band ratio, but it also gives the most accurate idea of which bra size to aim for to find a perfect fit. The numbers are of course most importantly about gauging breast growth. I will try to keep doing this with consistency to get the most accurate data possible, despite of which program I will be on, be it herbal or HRT.

If I will successfully keep this going, in few years, I will have very accurate data points for making direct correlations between my NBE program and breast growth. Even though I may be born under lucky stars on breast growth genetics, this will likely give a great general insight on what makes bio male breasts tick. Also, this is a great opportunity to put Lotus's ideas to a test, even though proven many times to work, I haven't seen such detailed account on daily basis since Day1 of a complete NBE program so I want to be first in line to do this.

I'll do my best to keep the diary updated each day, I would think in several weeks I will have enough numbers to be able to start predicting the possible future and to provide you guys and girls with some data to look at. I happen to have a weird love for keeping stats and playing with numbers so this for me is a fun experiment. I thought to also make notes at the graphs on dates when what ever detail about my program/health etc. so it will be easier to correlate the numbers with what's being done.

So far the last approx. six months have given me fantastic growth in almost continuous spurt, and the latest additions to my program seem to be taking things on the high gear. Wish me luck, I'm hoping to give this community something back as its given me so much. You're worth it. <3


EDIT:
Everyone likes pictures, right? I had some fun taking some. Here, catch.

Looks like your the new QUEEN of NBE!
I think that data would be very valuable for the future growers. Thanks
Love the new pic your beautiful!, and even though your new avatar is fabulous, I still loved your smile and breast shot from before!
Huggs
Bobbi