[Heaven's Night]

I totally interpreted it as a term of endearment, and embraced it as such.  The irony of questioning one's identity and having that thought of as weird was not lost on me.

I find it funny as heck as there's so many people who would label us all as total freak shows and weirdos. Things which at least for me are as natural as breathing air and sun rising in the morning. Its good to be an oddball.

This thread reminded me of some hot debates from years ago about males staying males vs. transitioning threads here. At least this one hasn't sunk into a flame war or circular arguments which never solve anything. As if there would be something to be solved in the first place.

I think the diversity of people on BN is one of our biggest strengths, even when it some times pits people against each other. I guess the perspective helps having gone from one to another, I can totally relate with guys who just want to have boobs for one reason or another and also with anyone who's transitioning. Heck, I don't know how far and where I will end up either. I have become a strong advocate of warning anyone on MsM clan about what a life changing road it might be. When I first started, I had zero idea about actually transitioning, it was about giving room to my fem side to flourish and everything snowballed from there.

The fear of BN turning to trans only style place was quite wrong I guess as its obvious that there's people from every corner of the 'scene' here still. Sad thing is that so many frequent posters from the yesteryear have left, a lot of them before I joined the party.

[BullBreast]

It is a challenge indeed. But it's possible for sure. There's many men that somehow get huge breasts because of gyno (and not necessarily fat guys), and they really stay as masculine as it can be in general. The problem is there's no record of people doing it on purpose. I mean, there's so many on their journey who just keep it to themselves, not out of selfishness, but because society doesn't accept yet that men who like that exist. And to avoid being judged they keep it a secret. That and also that they don't feel like they fit, for example, in a group of crossdressers. We all know that typical way of acting some men have regarding avoiding being called gay or whatever. I'm sure that happens in the breast growing context too.

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It depends a lot, of course, upon what are the masculine traits you are hoping to preserve.

From what I think I know on the subject, guys who appear very masculine by way of having enormous muscles, yet have breast growth, have gotten that way by accident.  They will in all probability have been using steroids and/or injecting excessive amounts of testosterone.  The testosterone soon gets aromatized into estrogens, and they wind up with an estrogen load comparable to that of a 21 year old girl.  Their testes have nothing to do in such an environment, which then go to sleep and shrink to the size of marbles.

For a guy to have big boobs without the use of exogenous testosterone, it is very probable that they are overweight, and/or have high levels of intra-abdominal fat around their internal organs.  Visceral fat is particularly good at aromatizing testosterone into estrogen (though subcutaneous fat does a pretty good job as well.)  Such a guy might have acceptable levels of DHT, but also has high levels of estrogen, which then leads to boob growth.

You’d have to determine what being masculine means for you, before arriving at the best technique for taking one isolated part of your body in the opposite direction.

Yeah, I'm actually researching about that at the moment. I'm focusing on the fact that men who use prohormones or steroids get different ''types'' of gyno, as in some get only the nipples affected, others get the breast tissue around the nipple developed, others get both, etc. I have a feeling that, since there's many different prohormones and steroids that people use. Each chemical affects breast tissue in a different way. Therefore each person ends up with a different looking gyno depending on what they used. So maybe that could be an option if I manage to discover what induces what...

I'd like to preserve typical male characteristics: Beard, body hair, muscles, sexual function... Like you said, there's a sweet spot where it's possible. There must be a way to get there without being fat...

[PleasantlyFascinated]

My best guess for spot feminization is spot application of exogenous estrogen.  You could test the waters with estriol alone.  It would be the weakest estrogen, but would seem a safe first exposure to increased girl hormones.  My personal experience seems to be that it produces some fat accumulation around the nipple area, without the profound “budding” experience I see people refer to.

[wee2er]

My best guess for spot feminization is spot application of exogenous estrogen.  You could test the waters with estriol alone.  It would be the weakest estrogen, but would seem a safe first exposure to increased girl hormones.  My personal experience seems to be that it produces some fat accumulation around the nipple area, without the profound “budding” experience I see people refer to.

This is essentially what I have done since starting this NBE journey, PM gel 2or3 times daily, with massage and pumping.
For me it definitely changed my man boobs quite significantly, they've definitely budded as I can feel the lumps and tubes, and they are very much firmer and fuller.
   
I'd agree with you that localised application would be a good starting point,

[Beard’nBoobs]

Hello everyone, hope you are all doing great,

I've been looking into the forum and I was wondering if there's any men here into growing their breasts but not only staying male but acting like a cis man. So men who are not into crossdressing or similar. Just men who like or would like to have breasts, keeping everything else as it is. It seems like this specific group is not very active on the forum. Maybe just lurking around or maybe I'm the only one...? I would just like to make some new contacts with the same interests. If it's one of you and you don't want to post a reply just private message me.

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Sorry, a little late to the party here, but I’m definitely in the MSM camp. 34M, Currently around 42F, wear a bra every day, beard, Harley Davidsons, wife, you name it.

I’ve dabbled with PM a few times, but all my growth has come from nipple stimulation. Wife loves ‘em, I love having them, and have no desire to go any further.

[anonymous657]

I fit your description exactly.  I am very alpha male.  Lots of tattoos, beard, shaved head.  My hobbies are all very masculine.  I dress very masculine. 

 I act masculine. 

People have said I can be intimidating.

Having breasts never crossed my mind.  Through porn addiction I stumbled across this website and started reading everyone's threads.  Never having much chest hair I wondered what small breasts would look like on my masculine body.  So I ordered PM and decided to try it.  I knew I didn't want noticeable breasts, I just wanted to see if I could actually see them getting bigger then I would I would quit before I budded.   I wanted to walk the tight rope and get off early enough to reverse everything.  The pink fog is real and even though I quit every round early I kept coming back and eventually budded.  I have been off of all herbs for about 6 months now.  Now I have small female breasts on my masculine body.

I have a couple threads on here, but recently I have a hard time posting pictures.  you can see my pictures and progress here:

https://www.ainterolherbs.com/forums/Thr...easts-lite

[PleasantlyFascinated]

I fit your description exactly.  I am very alpha male.  Lots of tattoos, beard, shaved head.  My hobbies are all very masculine.  I dress very masculine. 

 I act masculine. 

People have said I can be intimidating.

Having breasts never crossed my mind.  Through porn addiction I stumbled across this website and started reading everyone's threads.  Never having much chest hair I wondered what small breasts would look like on my masculine body.  So I ordered PM and decided to try it.  I knew I didn't want noticeable breasts, I just wanted to see if I could actually see them getting bigger then I would I would quit before I budded.   I wanted to walk the tight rope and get off early enough to reverse everything.  The pink fog is real and even though I quit every round early I kept coming back and eventually budded.  I have been off of all herbs for about 6 months now.  Now I have small female breasts on my masculine body.

I have a couple threads on here, but recently I have a hard time posting pictures.  you can see my pictures and progress here:

https://www.ainterolherbs.com/forums/Thr...easts-lite

I read your ainterol posts with much interest.  It perfectly illustrates the conundrum I recognize I could easily land myself in.  So far, i keep myself just this side of my fetish.  It’s quite fascinating just how addictive such a pursuit can be.

[JustAbbey]

Great thread! (And sorry to chime in late) I’ve been thinking a lot with this lately too. Certainly, I have some desires for a more feminine attributes, but I always want to be the ‘dad’ to my kids, and there is a lot about my masculine self and body I’m totally happy with and plan on keeping. 

But to DiDi’s point, things can change  Even over the last three months, I’ve noticed that a lot of things I thought I preferred are actually either just things I’ve never really considered any options to. As I go one step farther down the journey, I reconsider and push more boundaries, and bam, turns out what I really like is different than what I thought. Wearing lacy bras during the day, actually quite enjoyable for example.

But I like being a ‘weirdo’  Cheers to all of us weirdos who are being honest with themselves and hopefully finding a happier (or maybe just more interesting) version.

FWIW - I’ve not had any issues with the other ‘male’ characteristics on 1000mg PM, WP and RR. Less libido, but no real loss of function. Hair growth, muscle tone, etc all seem about the same before I started 3 months ago. Changes seem pretty localized to breast and nipple growth.

[anonymous657]

Great thread! (And sorry to chime in late) I’ve been thinking a lot with this lately too. Certainly, I have some desires for a more feminine attributes, but I always want to be the ‘dad’ to my kids, and there is a lot about my masculine self and body I’m totally happy with and plan on keeping. 

But to DiDi’s point, things can change " alt="" title=""> Even over the last three months, I’ve noticed that a lot of things I thought I preferred are actually either just things I’ve never really considered any options to. As I go one step farther down the journey, I reconsider and push more boundaries, and bam, turns out what I really like is different than what I thought. Wearing lacy bras during the day, actually quite enjoyable for example.

But I like being a ‘weirdo’ " alt="" title=""> Cheers to all of us weirdos who are being honest with themselves and hopefully finding a happier (or maybe just more interesting) version.

FWIW - I’ve not had any issues with the other ‘male’ characteristics on 1000mg PM, WP and RR. Less libido, but no real loss of function. Hair growth, muscle tone, etc all seem about the same before I started 3 months ago. Changes seem pretty localized to breast and nipple growth.

I completely understand the issue of being a dad. I have two young boys and believe it is important to be a strong masculine role model for them. I do live my life that way.  I teach them my hobbies, how to work hard, and be tough.  With the exception of having small female breasts  I am completely a masculine man in every way.  At the moment my breasts probably go unnoticed by most people, but they are becoming more rounded and pointy.   I know I have many years of going to the beach and pool. I need to make sure my breasts do not grow much bigger.  And that really scares me.

[Heaven's Night]

I have been silently following this thread for quite a while now...

Just an interesting note about me & masculinity. I never had a role model of a man around 24/7 when I was kid, spent a lot of time with my father though and he's into a lot of 'guy stuff' which he taught to me, I'm eternally grateful he did. But he's not the macho kind, very artistic as I am too and very good at fixing and building stuff, a total outdoorsman and loves fishing and so on.... And all that he passed down and taught me to do. But he never pushed me to be super manly either. I'm also glad for that.

From an early age, I learned to dislike hyper masculine guys, the toxic kind who are way too loud and obnoxious for their own good. I was bullied badly in school and a lot of the reason was that I was just too girly and soft, too kind to everyone and nothing had prepared me for it. It took years to learn to defend myself and even that barely worked.

I overcompensated for years in many ways btw. And funnily enough, even though I don't think I've ever really hid my true self that well, many people, specially ex girlfriends have viewed me as the strong alpha male type (I'm more like a sigma personality type, look it up.) when its quite far from the truth. Although I can totally be the leader if I want to and typical alpha wannabe guys have major issues about me. They perceive me as a threat and act accordingly. I've seen this time and again, all the way through my life. Even now that I'm quite far outed myself and act way more openly fem than every before, still this happens some times. Far less than it used to though.

Then again, different kind of men seem to be very attracted quite often which is fun to say at least.

I may be the polar opposite of many of you posting on this thread. Heh, its funny, some times I mix really well with very masculine guys and other times there's a clear repulsion there.