[akisoma]

Hi everyone!

I've been reading on and off the forum for quite some time now and I've finally found the courage to try out a program myself. First let me tell you something more about myself: I'm a 24 years old male who's been interested in crossdressing as long as I can remember, I now crossdress quite often and I've become pretty good at it even thought I feel this is not enough for me.

I'm 1.84m tall (6' 0'') and weight around 65kg (143lib) and I think my overall goal would be a more feminine body (softer skin, fatter ass, wider hips, fuller lips), but with mild and (possibly) reversible changes. I don't mind some breast growth, but I would keep it as low as possible, at least for now.

I've been reading about BO and PM but I'm a real newbie about all these herbs and I'd prefer to seek advice from more experienced users, since I don't really know the recommended doses and which one to choose. 

So I guess my question would be, what program would you recommend me?

I'm sorry if this sounds too general, in that case I'll try to be more specific in the next posts  " alt="" title="">

Stay safe,

Nikki

[HalfBloodPrince]

HelloDidi can definitely help you.

She is our inspiration.

About herb supplements depends the good quality herbs that experienced person taking is available to your country for purchase or not.

Other company product may not be good to use cause they may use fake ingredients. so be aware of fake products.

Most of the begginers are using Pueraria Mirifica (PM) by Ainterol company. along with vitamins supplements.

Otherwise you go to a clinic ask doctor to prescribe you medicines for HRT.

[Maze]

Hi Nikki,

I really like your name. You have a really great BMI.
Well, I am your age and now about 2 years into this experience. I also have a similar weight as you. So I might be able to give you a bit of good advice.


Here are some of the best results from Breast Nexum members.

emma ~ 9 months pm ~ 11 months hrt

horseboy ~ My development (1 year and a half pm)

-Tasha- ~ Well here goes!

polymorphis ~ Visible progress 

oki ~ oki's program

and there are many newer ones, that are easy to find.


If you have any question concerning NBE, Supplements and else you have to read those:

Lotus ~ breast growing notes ~ Project X (hrt)


In my opinion, the best starting regime would be something like this:

Morning
PM 500mg
Red Reishi 2000mg
fish oil 1000mg

Noon
PM 500mg
Green tea extract (with high polyphenols and EGCG)

Evening
MSM 3000 mg (powder is cheaper)
Dandelion Root 1000 mg (or more)
fish oil 1000mg (drugstore)
Coconut oil 1 teaspoon (glass jars are really cheap and available in any supermarket)
White Peony 2000mg (really hard to find)
Multivitamin tablet 1

In my opinion PM is way better than BO.
If something is not available for you check out the breast growing notes thread, because there are many times an alternative.

I achieved the budding stage in 2 months with just 1000mg PM alone. So you could always just do that. With your body weight, you should be able to do that. You will get a headache from PM for a few day, just take an Aspirin or else.

Note that all progress past tanner stage 2 (budding) will stay and be visible to some degree.


I wish you a great start ~ Maze

[Alexis P]

Hi Nikki, welcome to the forum!
Maze has given you pretty much the best advice we all can give, as the best way to learn about Natural Breast Enlargement is through reading and reading and reading, especially about long and complex journeys by people like those listed by Maze (they have been inspirational for quite  a lot of people here).
Regardless of your end goal and your reason behind it, we are here to help as best as we can.

There are a lot of substances which can help to NBE (and inevitably to overall body feminization) from Phytoestrogens, to Anti-Androgens and  other supplements that act as a booster to those two. You can also apply them in different ways: by taking them in capsules, by using them in creams on the body, by using some serum extracts and some even by powder or rectal suppositories! There is a lot of choice in this regard.

Be aware that depending on the complexity of your program the result may vary, and also the reversibility of those changes may vary. The more things you add and the higher dosages you take of the supplements, the more you will get changes which will be more or less noticeable.

Also keep in mind of availability depending on where you live and if you get some side effects, remember: Safety first!
If you feel bad or not very healthy while on NBE you can always stop and ask for medical advice.

I feel like there is a lot i could say here, but i really don't know what to say precisely. The best thing i can say is that there are tons of threads with similar thematics as you and you may learn a lot from them (even if you may differ for some things). 
And don't worry about being a little generic during posts, it's all good and we are gonna support 

[akisoma]

Hi Nikki,

I really like your name. You have a really great BMI.
Well, I am your age and now about 2 years into this experience. I also have a similar weight as you. So I might be able to give you a bit of good advice.


Here are some of the best results from Breast Nexum members.

emma ~ 9 months pm ~ 11 months hrt

horseboy ~ My development (1 year and a half pm)

-Tasha- ~ Well here goes!

polymorphis ~ Visible progress 

oki ~ oki's program

and there are many newer ones, that are easy to find.


If you have any question concerning NBE, Supplements and else you have to read those:

Lotus ~ breast growing notes ~ Project X (hrt)


In my opinion, the best starting regime would be something like this:

Morning
PM 500mg
Red Reishi 2000mg
fish oil 1000mg

Noon
PM 500mg
Green tea extract (with high polyphenols and EGCG)

Evening
MSM 3000 mg (powder is cheaper)
Dandelion Root 1000 mg (or more)
fish oil 1000mg (drugstore)
Coconut oil 1 teaspoon (glass jars are really cheap and available in any supermarket)
White Peony 2000mg (really hard to find)
Multivitamin tablet 1

In my opinion PM is way better than BO.
If something is not available for you check out the breast growing notes thread, because there are many times an alternative.

I achieved the budding stage in 2 months with just 1000mg PM alone. So you could always just do that. With your body weight, you should be able to do that. You will get a headache from PM for a few day, just take an Aspirin or else.

Note that all progress past tanner stage 2 (budding) will stay and be visible to some degree.


I wish you a great start ~ Maze

Hi Maze, thank you for your kind words and for all the helpful advices. " alt="" title="">

I've looked into the threads you recommended (you've got great results btw) and did some more research. Do you think starting only on PM or PM and picking something from the list would be okay anyway? Also my primary goal is not breasts but overall body feminization, do you think I'd be able to achieve that with the program you wrote? I tried to find some thread that could be more specific to my goal but found none (maybe I'm still not good at searching here).

[akisoma]

Hi Nikki, welcome to the forum!
Maze has given you pretty much the best advice we all can give, as the best way to learn about Natural Breast Enlargement is through reading and reading and reading, especially about long and complex journeys by people like those listed by Maze (they have been inspirational for quite  a lot of people here).
Regardless of your end goal and your reason behind it, we are here to help as best as we can.

There are a lot of substances which can help to NBE (and inevitably to overall body feminization) from Phytoestrogens, to Anti-Androgens and  other supplements that act as a booster to those two. You can also apply them in different ways: by taking them in capsules, by using them in creams on the body, by using some serum extracts and some even by powder or rectal suppositories! There is a lot of choice in this regard.

Be aware that depending on the complexity of your program the result may vary, and also the reversibility of those changes may vary. The more things you add and the higher dosages you take of the supplements, the more you will get changes which will be more or less noticeable.

Also keep in mind of availability depending on where you live and if you get some side effects, remember: Safety first!
If you feel bad or not very healthy while on NBE you can always stop and ask for medical advice.

I feel like there is a lot i could say here, but i really don't know what to say precisely. The best thing i can say is that there are tons of threads with similar thematics as you and you may learn a lot from them (even if you may differ for some things). 
And don't worry about being a little generic during posts, it's all good and we are gonna support  " alt="" title="">

Thanks for the welcome, Alexis " alt="" title="">

Yeah, I feel I'd need to really dig into NBE and learn, at least, the basics. Thanks for the precious advices, I'll get back when I'll try it  " alt="" title="">

[Alexis P]

Thanks for the welcome, Alexis " alt="" title="">

Yeah, I feel I'd need to really dig into NBE and learn, at least, the basics. Thanks for the precious advices, I'll get back when I'll try it  " alt="" title="">

Glad i could help!
Also reading what you said to Maze, that you want some overall body feminization is a perfectly understandable goal. Just because the forum is called Breast Nexum it doesn't mean you can't ask for something else. The members here are pretty much open and always try to give a hand or two, we can all learn from eachother with support.
That said, you can go for PM only as it will still work, HelloDiDi has done this for quite a while and you can check their progress if you are interested. But it will take much more time and will struggle a bit, as NBE has been explained by Lotus: usually phytoestrogens work best when paired with Anti-Androgens.
That's the most basic advice i can give and i'm pretty sure you know it already.
I don't want to self-promote, but if you are looking for something simple you could check my program. It has been pretty basic for quite a long time with just Reishi and Pueraria Mirifica, only very recently i added Progesterone Cream and in a matter of days i will add MSM too.
In the first months with only Reishi and Pueraria Mirifica i got quite some degree of feminization: like smaller waist and larger hips. Not by much but considering i took it slow and easy with low dosages, it might be still quite a decent result. Important thing to note is that i am also kinda overweight and don't train much, if i trained and lost some weight i would probably be able to tell how the presence of NBE could have influenced body remodelling.
Keep in mind that Reishi and Pueraria Mirifca already impacted my libido at quite small dosage. It is not a problem for me, i don't find it too much of a hassle. But if you are concerned with your libido and sexual acitivity make sure to evaluate it.
Keep us updated on what you decide, very interested 
Best of luck!

[Maze]

Hi Nikki,

Thank you <3

I myself took 300-1200mg PM with many breaks due to loss of libido for the first year and was still able to show off my upper body in public (beach, gym, sauna). Cycling (a few days or a week off of everything every month) can aid loss of libido but slows down your progress. Progesterone as well can aid loss of libido.
So you can just go with PM but as Alexis said, anti-androgen are key too. As you are looking for overall body feminization, you should be fine with a low dose of 500-1000mg PM (slow breast growth). But to get a good female fat redistribution you will need reishi. And probably like 6-10g RR would be good but start slow at 1-2g and look how you feel. You can get RR really cheap from ebay and RR extract equal to 10g RR from Amazon. (to Germany)
 
If you want to get a perfect female shape, you have to do some work. Like running or (butt, full body) home workout or hitting the gym.

Anyways I wish you the best ~ Maze

[akisoma]

Hi Nikki,

Thank you <3

I myself took 300-1200mg PM with many breaks due to loss of libido for the first year and was still able to show off my upper body in public (beach, gym, sauna). Cycling (a few days or a week off of everything every month) can aid loss of libido but slows down your progress. Progesterone as well can aid loss of libido.
So you can just go with PM but as Alexis said, anti-androgen are key too. As you are looking for overall body feminization, you should be fine with a low dose of 500-1000mg PM (slow breast growth). But to get a good female fat redistribution you will need reishi. And probably like 6-10g RR would be good but start slow at 1-2g and look how you feel. You can get RR really cheap from ebay and RR extract equal to 10g RR from Amazon. (to Germany)
 
If you want to get a perfect female shape, you have to do some work. Like running or (butt, full body) home workout or hitting the gym.

Anyways I wish you the best ~ Maze

I've looked at the RR from Amazon (the one you posted) and I think I'm gonna go for it. Still, I may not quite understood the dosages for that, it's 500mg of concentrated RR for each capsule which is equivalent to 10000mg? So I should break it down, at least at the beginning, right?

As for the shape advices, I've been reading quite a few articles about specific exercises to help build a feminine shape but I'm still too lazy to try it. I may give it a go in future  " alt="" title="">

Anyway thanks for all the help <3

Nikki

[akisoma]

Glad i could help!
Also reading what you said to Maze, that you want some overall body feminization is a perfectly understandable goal. Just because the forum is called Breast Nexum it doesn't mean you can't ask for something else. The members here are pretty much open and always try to give a hand or two, we can all learn from eachother with support.
That said, you can go for PM only as it will still work, HelloDiDi has done this for quite a while and you can check their progress if you are interested. But it will take much more time and will struggle a bit, as NBE has been explained by Lotus: usually phytoestrogens work best when paired with Anti-Androgens.
That's the most basic advice i can give and i'm pretty sure you know it already.
I don't want to self-promote, but if you are looking for something simple you could check my program. It has been pretty basic for quite a long time with just Reishi and Pueraria Mirifica, only very recently i added Progesterone Cream and in a matter of days i will add MSM too.
In the first months with only Reishi and Pueraria Mirifica i got quite some degree of feminization: like smaller waist and larger hips. Not by much but considering i took it slow and easy with low dosages, it might be still quite a decent result. Important thing to note is that i am also kinda overweight and don't train much, if i trained and lost some weight i would probably be able to tell how the presence of NBE could have influenced body remodelling.
Keep in mind that Reishi and Pueraria Mirifca already impacted my libido at quite small dosage. It is not a problem for me, i don't find it too much of a hassle. But if you are concerned with your libido and sexual acitivity make sure to evaluate it.
Keep us updated on what you decide, very interested  " alt="" title="">
Best of luck!

Thank you, been checking the programs you recommended and I've looked at your progress, it's looking wonderful <3

I think I'm gonna start with a low PM dose (500-1000) and just RR, then I'll see how it goes. Don't really know what I want yet but for the past months I've been having a growing anxiety and I think trying to explore this side of myself might help finding some answers.

Libido and sexual activity is not a problem right now, but I don't know what to expect anyway so..