[ChuckM]

New here.  A quick history and a question.

About 5 years ago I was diagnosed with very low testosterone due to a pituitary tumor.  I went on testosterone replacement and had surgery.  Due to the low T, and then the T replacement therapy I developed gynecomastia.  I understand that in some cases T replacement can contribute to gynecomastia, and that's my situation.  My breasts have continued to increase a little bit over the years, and is noticeable under a polo if anyone wanted to notice.

I never wanted breasts, but now that I have them I've accepted it, and at the same time I'd now like to get them to look as nice as possible.  I don't want to increase size all that much, just make them have a little fuller more rounded shape.

I'll continue my T replacement therapy, and I don't want to feminize in any other way, just would like some modest additional breast growth.

Since I already have moderate breast tissue, do you think that a modest intake of PM would trigger additional breast growth without contributing to other physical changes.  I'm in good condition for my age, go to the gym regularly, and not overweight.

Thanks for any input.

-ChuckM

[michelle street]

If you're wanting breast sounds like you need to stop the testosterone replacement therapy can't really have both at the same time

[ChuckM]

If you're wanting breast sounds like you need to stop the testosterone replacement therapy can't really have both at the same time

My understanding (and I may be incorrect) is that T replacement has different effects on the body than the body's naturally produced T, and that it can sometimes trigger gynecomastia.  That's why, while I have good T levels, I still have some continued, albeit slow breast growth.

Thanks,

[Vana_B]

My understanding (and I may be incorrect) is that T replacement has different effects on the body than the body's naturally produced T, and that it can sometimes trigger gynecomastia.  That's why, while I have good T levels, I still have some continued, albeit slow breast growth.

Thanks,

Sounds like we have similar goals, but not sure it is a realistic goal. 

I'm not looking for become more feminized,  just make my saggy man boobs fuller and rounder.   I'm trying to walk the fine line between keeping my T levels in a decent range, still lifting hard, and keeping sexual function.   I'm not looking to grow large boobs,  just make them fuller and perkier and not just a lump of fat hanging.

I am blessed/cursed with man boobs ( gyno ) which started many years back when I was lifting heavy as taking several types of T boosters and a short time on steroids.   I'm living proof that high levels of natural T can cause breast growth.  From my understanding this is caused by a process where the body converts T -> Estrogen ( amoratase ).

I have experimented with low doses of PM, and  even at low dosage I feel the feminizing effects.  For me PM is a love/hate relationship, I like some of the effects, but I can feel my T levels drop within a few days of taking it.  I did take it for several months, and have noticed some gains.  For me the side effects are too much for what I want.

At the moment, I am trying to use herbs that increase amoratase ( white peony & fennel ) and block DHT (reishi & SP ).  I'm taking both orally and mix with lotion applied to my chest.  My normal free T is ~1000, hopefully I can get my body to convert some of that to E,  without tanking my T levels.  I'm also using a noogleberry type pump a couple times a day, along with massage.

[ChuckM]

My understanding (and I may be incorrect) is that T replacement has different effects on the body than the body's naturally produced T, and that it can sometimes trigger gynecomastia.  That's why, while I have good T levels, I still have some continued, albeit slow breast growth.

Thanks,

Sounds like we have similar goals, but not sure it is a realistic goal. 

I'm not looking for become more feminized,  just make my saggy man boobs fuller and rounder.   I'm trying to walk the fine line between keeping my T levels in a decent range, still lifting hard, and keeping sexual function.   I'm not looking to grow large boobs,  just make them fuller and perkier and not just a lump of fat hanging.

I am blessed/cursed with man boobs ( gyno ) which started many years back when I was lifting heavy as taking several types of T boosters and a short time on steroids.   I'm living proof that high levels of natural T can cause breast growth.  From my understanding this is caused by a process where the body converts T -> Estrogen ( amoratase ).

I have experimented with low doses of PM, and  even at low dosage I feel the feminizing effects.  For me PM is a love/hate relationship, I like some of the effects, but I can feel my T levels drop within a few days of taking it.  I did take it for several months, and have noticed some gains.  For me the side effects are too much for what I want.

At the moment, I am trying to use herbs that increase amoratase ( white peony & fennel ) and block DHT (reishi & SP ).  I'm taking both orally and mix with lotion applied to my chest.  My normal free T is ~1000, hopefully I can get my body to convert some of that to E,  without tanking my T levels.  I'm also using a noogleberry type pump a couple times a day, along with massage.

I think were looking for exactly the same thing, just a little fuller and rounder.  If we have to have gyno, then at least have our breasts look nice.

This is some of what I was looking for experience on - Because my T levels are maintained by T replacement, I don't think I have to worry about PM lowering my T levels and triggering the associated changes or low T.  And because the gyno is already established I'm hoping that taking a modest dose of PM will simply trigger some additional breast growth.

Let's keep in touch and share our experiences, and hopefully successes.

-Chuck   

[Drew]

Have either of you tried adding FG to your program? 
I may be wrong but am quite sure my roundness is mainly due to FG.

[ChuckM]

Have either of you tried adding FG to your program? 
I may be wrong but am quite sure my roundness is mainly due to FG.

I have not, but it sounds interesting.  I just got some PM and thought I'd give it a try for a few weeks, or until I notice changes I don't like.  If it doesn't work, the FG sounds like it could be the way to go.

[Drew]

Have either of you tried adding FG to your program? 
I may be wrong but am quite sure my roundness is mainly due to FG.

I have not, but it sounds interesting.  I just got some PM and thought I'd give it a try for a few weeks, or until I notice changes I don't like.  If it doesn't work, the FG sounds like it could be the way to go.

Well no, PM in combination with FG and RR is what did it for me. Not sure if FG alone will create the desired rusults. But I'm not as knowledgeable as most here just somehow got results. Was just a thought.

[ChuckM]

Have either of you tried adding FG to your program? 
I may be wrong but am quite sure my roundness is mainly due to FG.

I have not, but it sounds interesting.  I just got some PM and thought I'd give it a try for a few weeks, or until I notice changes I don't like.  If it doesn't work, the FG sounds like it could be the way to go.

Well no, PM in combination with FG and RR is what did it for me. Not sure if FG alone will create the desired rusults. But I'm not as knowledgeable as most here just somehow got results. Was just a thought.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought you meant instead of PM. I'll see about adding some FG to the program.

-Chuck

[Drew]

Have either of you tried adding FG to your program? 
I may be wrong but am quite sure my roundness is mainly due to FG.

I have not, but it sounds interesting.  I just got some PM and thought I'd give it a try for a few weeks, or until I notice changes I don't like.  If it doesn't work, the FG sounds like it could be the way to go.

Well no, PM in combination with FG and RR is what did it for me. Not sure if FG alone will create the desired rusults. But I'm not as knowledgeable as most here just somehow got results. Was just a thought.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought you meant instead of PM.  I'll see about adding some FG to the program.

-Chuck

Well I don't post pictures on others threads, don't want to piss on a parade so will never do that but seriously do feel FG does quite a lot for shape and firmness