[Lotus]

I would like to know how much weight you gained to grow breasts. what was the highest BMI you had and what is your current BMI? Mine is 24 BMI.

You're not concerned about my weight/bmi, the only reason you want to know is to how use it against me like how you used it against it HelloDiDi (Lara), which was absolutely shameful and pitifuI.

And most importantly I noticed that you don’t need to gain weight to even grow boobs

I didn't gain weight to grow breasts, what a ridiculous assumption, but you make alot those (@ ridiculous assumptions). I can't believe most of what you've recently stated here at BN, let alone a 24 bmi. Why do you struggle to loose weight with a 24 bmi.

Focusing on weight, here you make conflicting statements:

 I also struggle to gain weight

I still have not had any growth. I am trying to lose all the weight I gained because it went to my stomach not my chest.

I am struggling with hunger so I take glucomannan every day. 

So you're at a 24 bmi, why try to lose more weight when you struggle to gain weigh?, it makes no sense. Glucomannan is a weight loss medication. For someone who struggles to gain weight you certainly wouldn't want to take this? So which is it?, are trying to loose weight or gain weight?.

Safety and Efficacy of Glucomannan for Weight Loss in Overweight and Moderately Obese Adults
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3892933/

 Here's how you treated Lara:

what is your diet, is it mostly carbs and sugar?

You choose to gain hundreds of pounds

More info here: it's no wonder why your posts landed in the trash heap…
https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=30882

More conflicting statements:

I have not tried breast supplements before HRT like others here.<

I find this statement hard to believe, zoom in on the bottle with the orange cap (which appears to be MSM?) and what's next to it? Estradiol Valerate…which is used for HRT intramuscular or subQ injections, alongside a gazillion herbal supplements which contradicts the above statement of:
"I have not tried breast supplements before HRT like others here".

Tried all of lotus methods, tried all herbals, tried bovine ovary, tried Bountiful Breast program, tried the soy powder and flax seed method, tried rocketmelon method.

Tried will powers HRT method.

I'm wondering how can I grow female breasts?

I barely fill an A cup, I don't wear bras and nobody knows I want to look like a woman.

Thanks.

quote='HandofFate' pid='220639' dateline='1653738296']

I don’t care about being a happy hon. I care more about living female, you know the whole point of transition. Good for you

I do not want "bouncy boobs" I find nothing attractive about breasts. 

And yet you want to grow female breasts?, in fact you place more importance in having female breasts than life itself. No way getting around having the biggest breasts and NOT having bouncy boobs…it's simply not possible, you better re-think your strategy.

I'm wondering how can I grow female breasts?

I barely fill an A cup, I don't wear bras and nobody knows I want to look like a woman.

After reading this i can guarantee most people don't think you want to be a woman either by now. 

You choose to gain hundreds of pounds

lotus and other members had several cup sizes in 1 year 

 

Nope, another assumption, this is simply not humanly possible @ growing 7 cups in year. 

Even with an anti-androgen, taking a herb like fenugreek would cause testosterone to go up.

I haven't begun to talk about how your sabotaging your program:
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Bountiful Breasts does nothing.

 
Check the dates, 6/2 you say bountiful breasts does nothing, then the very next day your starting bountiful breasts again?

I started bountiful breast pills again

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Gaining weight caused the fat to goto my stomach and face. Women don't have bellys or fat faces. I'm trying to be feminine while also having breasts. I go up and down 10 pounds I think that is enough for "cycling" anymore and I would get too much fat on my stomach. I

People that have either tried to help you or commented in your thread:
ilovefakenails, Unknowntraveller89, Manue, bash42, justAbbey, Drulactin, Kay, Mel87, HelloDiDi, member47, Bunnie, Crystal Amethyst…and myself who's spent more time with YOU than anyone I've helped. Not once have i seen you thank any of these good people, I see nothing but rudeness. 


Lets talk about how you continue to sabotage your programs, which I've already addressed this with you before. I see you have a list names of people who you blame for your lack of breast growth, you even put HelloDidi on there for some reason. But you can't blame those people, you didn't give them an honest chance either…2 weeks at the most?, I doubt anybody will believe your sincerity longer than that. 

You know who's not on that list? YOU…or your DOCTOR. You failed in informing your doctor of all the changes you continually made without his knowledge. 

All the add-ons you made or modified because you were impatient (or lacked the emotional maturity) sabotaged your estrogen receptors which downregulates estradiol receptors, in others words you overstimulated them. You have so many conflicting herbals like fenugreek which increases estradiol by itself while adding bountiful breast (stimulating the pituitary) and whatever other cornucopia of supplements you have pictured, then you change it after 2 weeks like I predicted and what do you think is going to happen?. It takes longer than 2 weeks to see if a program is working, and the way you've mucked things up you better tack on more time to that, id say give it two months (minimum), then two months detox before starting something else.

But currently, It'll take you weeks (min: 3 weeks) to clear out your receptors. Don't take any supplements or hrt meds until you do a complete detox. Then start with doc and get an HRT lab panel completed, start fresh. 

Get off this forum and others like it, let your mind and body heal. I am worried about you, I truly am. As many time as you talk about your own death I think its best you be taken off this forum for your own safety if you don't take yourself off. Good luck, I hope you take this advice seriously and others will join in to support this move. 

There is no reason to clean because nobody is coming over until they smell a rotting corpse.

I am starting a new routine.

Pukka shatavari capsule x1/day

Fenugreek 50%  500mg x1/day

Saw Palmetto 500mg x1/day

Vitamin C slow release 1g x 1/day

vitamin D 5g x 1/day

calcium 600mg x 1/day

L-arganine 1g x 2/day

MSM 3g x 1/day

Cyproterone acetate 12.5mg x1/3days

Still taking HRT

Estradiol Valerate 9mg/week

Going to skip Progesterone for 2 weeks.

If nothing happens after 2 weeks I'm going to take supplements twice a day.

Bovine ovary/bountiful breast is simply placebo pills I am not going to continue taking them.

I heard some people add PM pills to this routine, I am low on my Ainterol and people claim that is the only brand that "works". I have several other brands, I just don't think it's smart because my estradiol trough is over 200 pg/ml.

[HandofFate]

I've had breaks before for the estrogen receptors. You know who doesn't tell their doctor about herbs and supplements? Everyone.

2 weeks? Try 3 months for each program.

"I have not tried breast supplements before HRT like others here" is a true statement. I started HRT over 4 years ago. I started NBE about 3 years ago.

[Manue]

You know who doesn't tell their doctor about herbs and supplements? Everyone.

My doc has access to my full stack and practically knows everything that gets ingested and what doesn't go into my body. It's not in anybody's insterest to hide anything from their doc. If you hide info from your doc he's never going to be able to make clear assesment of your case.

[HandofFate]

You know who doesn't tell their doctor about herbs and supplements? Everyone.

My doc has access to my full stack and practically knows everything that gets ingested and what doesn't go into my body. It's not in anybody's insterest to hide anything from their doc. If you hide info from your doc he's never going to be able to make clear assesment of your case.

The supplements never interfere with my blood work because I stop them a few weeks before I have my blood drawn.

[Eloise]

Thread is open,

Yesss!  Looking good!  Feeling any better?

Thoughts on Astaxanthin?

[Alexis P]

Hi Alexis, thank you for the kind words. ? I had extra motivation taking those photos that particular morning. I have specific health/diet goals I'm working on so I'm keeping the photos up to remind myself of those goals, I'll try to document along the way if I can. 

How about you Alexis?, no joke, I was thinking about you last week and here you are. I'll bet your hair is much longer, please post an update in your thread when you can, no pressure. It's so great to hear from you again, I know myself and other people miss you here. Honestly? " part-time fox " soon will read " full-time fox " under your user title ?

It would be great to see regular posts from you! You have always been inspirational for all of us.  I also have a diet  plan to follow so i understand the motivation  thing.

I appreciate you thought about me, of course i have been thinking about all of you as well <3
Since last time  i posted on my thread after not  even a week i had another lack of motivation and stopped taking NBE.  It has been like this since  the start of 2022, not  only for NBE but for everything in general, periods i am super motivated and want to do something and then everything fades out pretty fast.
Apart from that i had these May/June/July busy with University exams, i just took today the final exam for this semester session. Now i think i will rest for a while, until next exam session. In the meantime i was planning to return once again to NBE, but quieter this time as i don't want to make too much fuss about starting again.

Actually no, one month ago i've been to the hairdresser and had my hair cut short, mostly because of split ends and summer heat being a problem. They are still long but just reach my shoulders, at the beginning was  quite shocked because it was too short but now they are getting to a comfortable length again   
I've been thinking about the "proverbial trans fence" you told me long ago, and have been wondering for a while what my life would be if i'd transition or not at some point. Thinking to go back to a LGBT friendly place to discuss this (been there one year ago but never came back).
I think i'll write something on the thread one of these days, as there is quite  a bit of stuff to say, like the other day which i kinda outed myself in front of my mother and brother (still not exactly sure if i got taken seriously or not).

"full time fox?" i sense there is some sort of  double meaning here, but not exactly sure. what it is. I love foxes and sometimes have imagined myself as one ahah that's why the "part time fox".  But now am curious to know what you meant there!   <3

[Lotus]

Yesss!  Looking good!  

Hi Eloise,  thank you, 

Feeling any better?

I'm feeling great, thanks for asking 

Thoughts on Astaxanthin?

Can taking astaxanthin increase the risk of breast enlargement in men?
https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/asta...ecomastia/

A few. Astaxanthin is a healthly supplement aside from using in just in nbe or hrt, but you'll see the notes I've archived here for breast growth. Health benefits range in diabetes, ATP production, DNA protection, inhibition of DHT, reducing inflammation, cAMP (pro aromatase) and many more. Btw, we've outlined how astaxanthin helped with breast in 2016 (here at BN...in this thread, coincidence?maybe, maybe not).   My theory doesn't rely on solely on the reduction of DHT by 5ar, no sir, but also via the addition of the the second messengers. But, you have understand the concept of what second messengers, more importantly
...cAMP (cyclic nucleotide monophosphates) and what it does to biosynthesis of estrogen, to jump down this rabbit hole you'll need clear your mind of any cobwebs, it's deep, but fun stuff. 

Side-effects: possible histamine response , red poop, or seafood allergies, read all info and check with your health care professional. 

In this study astaxanthin inhibits (or delays) β-cell destruction, in other words, preventing glucose overproduction, a 1mg dose of astaxanthin was used in the study. So what does it tell about astaxanthin that we didn't already know?, well......astaxanthin is 500x stronger than vitamin C, it inhibits DHT, protects against free radicals, inhibits DHT, promotes sperm (reminds me of a PDE5 supplement), protects against skin damage, etc.

astaxanthin may exert beneficial effects on pancreatic β-cell function in diabetes  


Astaxanthin protects β-cells against glucose toxicity in diabetic db/db mice
http://www.cyanotech.com/pdfs/bioastin/batl19.p

Quite possible, the further studies indicate astaxanthin promotes (or protects) male fertility (aka sperm). It reminds me of an erectile dysfunction med (without the high blood pressure, or strain to the heart). Meaning astaxanthin lowers LDL cholesterol and promotes energy production, in large part in mitochondria (the protection of DNA). So, maybe this also means help with combating chronic fatigue.....help w/preventing dementia was also mentioned in other studies. Part of astaxanthin comes from its carotenoid ingredient. Think tomato juice for NBE too (carotenoids).

Astaxanthin inhibits DHT, free radicals, cancer, radiation, diabetes and protects DNA.. Maybe 8-12 mg is too much, the study demonstrated (in vitro) .3 mg was to inhibit DHT @ 99% (type II most likely). I found in further studies that astaxanthin inhibits DHT while promoting T. In other words, an ideal scenario for pro-aromatase (increased estrogen), though in combination with a pro-aromatase. So, maybe 2mg -4mg would be a good starting dose. 

A preliminary investigation of the enzymatic inhibition of 5alpha-reduction and growth of prostatic carcinoma cell line LNCap-FGC by natural astaxanthin and Saw Palmetto lipid extract in vitro.

J Herb Pharmacother. 2005;5(1):17-26.
Abstract
Inhibition of 5alpha-reductase has been reported to decrease the symptoms of benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH) and possibly inhibit or help treat prostate cancer. Saw Palmetto berry lipid extract (SPLE) is reported to inhibit 5 alpha-reductase and decrease the clinical symptoms of BPH. Epidemiologic studies report that carotenoids such as lycopene may inhibit prostate cancer. In this investigation the effect of the carotenoid astaxanthin, and SPLE were examined for their effect on 5alpha-reductase inhibition as well as the growth of prostatic carcinoma cells in vitro. These studies support patent #6,277,417 B1. The results show astaxanthin demonstrated 98% inhibition of 5alpha-reductase at 300 microg/mL in vitro. Alphastat, the combination of astaxanthin and SPLE, showed a 20% greater inhibition of 5alpha-reductase than SPLE alone in vitro. A nine day treatment of prostatic carcinoma cells with astaxanthin in vitro produced a 24% decrease in growth at 0.1 mcg/mL and a 38% decrease at 0.01 mcg/mL. SAMPLE showed a 34% decrease at 0.1 mcg/mL.
CONCLUSIONS: Low levels of carotenoid astaxanthin inhibit 5alpha-reductase and decrease the growth of human prostatic cancer cells in vitro. Astaxanthin added to SPLE shows greater inhibition of 5alpha-reductase than SPLE alone in vitro.

PMID 16093232 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Anti-cancer potential of flavonoids: recent trends and future perspectives
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3824783/

As listed, second messengers improve the biosynthesis of hormones, so does ATP (Adenosine triphosphate, and Astaxanthin works quite well for this ), G protein-coupled estrogen receptors (GPER), activation of GPER comes from estrogen, which is the result of adenylyl cyclase and cAMP-dependent signaling.

For me lol I'm only interested in astaxanthin, I don't need SP lol. Astaxanthin is in the krill oil I take, it's not enough imo. So I'm looking for a high grade product. 


High fat diet alters estrogen receptor expression, now I think I have a good idea why NBE some get apples and pear shapes. I'm very interested (or hot on the heels lol) of body re-sculpting and I share some info (study below) on how " fit " can work . I read how an impaired immune system can have the mitochondria misread and result in an inflammatory response. Now the question is how does a crappy diet impair boob growth?...answered above. This study found that when a high fat diet of n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids was given to virgin mice (hey now, no jokes lol) resulted in an increase of 61% to estrogen receptor binding sites. Imo, this suggested a few things, e.g. Like, n-6 polyunsaturated fats increase breast growth, and that it's a pro-aromatase , in this case (61% increase in receptor bioavailability)...I'm thinking this moved walnuts to a " must have " lol in NBE. Oh, I can't forget, Carotenoids will prove to be a winner for NBE, right along with citrus and green tea. 

estrogen receptor content, protein kinase C activity, and mammary gland morphology in virgin and pregnant mice and female offspring.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9485017

Exercise and Estrogen Make Fat Cells ‘‘Fit’’ 
Victoria J. Vieira-Potter1, Terese M. Zidon1, and Jaume Padilla1,2,3 
1Departments of Nutrition and Exercise Physiology, and 2Child Health, and 3Dalton Cardiovascular Research Center, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 
VIEIRA-POTTER, V.J., T.M. ZIDON, and J. PADILLA. 

Exercise and estrogen make fat cells ‘‘fit’’. Exerc. Sport Sci. Rev., Vol. 43, No. 3, pp. 172Y178, 2015. Adipose tissue inflammation links obesity and metabolic disease. Both exercise and estrogen improve metabolic health, enhance mitochondrial function, and have antiinflammatory effects. We hypothesize that there is an inverse relationship between mitochondrial function and inflammation in adipose tissue and that exercise acts as an estrogen ‘‘mimetic.’’ Explicitly, exercise may improve adipose tissue ‘‘immunometabolism’’ by improving mitochondrial function and reducing inflammation. Key Words: adipose tissue, inflammation, mitochondria, estrogen, exercise, immunometabolism 
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vicki_Vieira-Potter/publication/275357931_Exercise_and_Estrogen_Make_Fat_Cells_%27Fit%27/links/5589b2a808ae4e384e25ffa7.pdf?inViewer=0&pdfJsDownload=0&origin=publication_detail

Overview of inflammation
Chronic inflammation can result from a viral or microbial infection, environmental antigen (e.g., pollen), autoimmune reaction, or persistent activation of inflammatory molecules. Chronic inflammation is primarily mediated by monocytes and long-lived macrophages (3); monocytes mature into macrophages once they leave the bloodstream and enter tissues.

Carotenoids
Various dietary phytochemicals could affect inflammatory processes within the body. Carotenoids, the yellow, orange, and red pigments synthesized by plants, have a number of different biological activities (see the article on Carotenoids). In one study, the carotenoid β-carotene displayed anti-inflammatory activity by inhibiting pro-inflammatory gene expression through suppressing the activation of NFκ-B, a redox-sensitive transcription factor (66). Specifically, a decrease in expression of various pro-inflammatory genes was seen with β-carotene treatment when an endotoxin was used to induce inflammation in macrophages in vitro as well as mice in vivo (66). The carotenoids, lycopene and astaxanthin, have also been shown to exhibit anti-inflammatory activities in cell cultures and animal models (67-72). Sources of lycopene include tomatoes, red grapefruit, red watermelon, and guava, while the main dietary sources of astaxanthin include salmon, shrimp, and other seafood (73).
Additionally, the putative anti-inflammatory effect of various carotenoids has been examined in humans. Some epidemiological studies have observed serum levels of certain carotenoids, including α-carotene, β-carotene, β-cryptoxanthin, lycopene, lutein, and zeaxanthin, to be inversely associated with circulating levels of CRP, a cardiovascular and general marker of inflammation (74, 75). In a four-week randomized controlled trial in healthy, nonsmoking men, eight daily servings of carotenoid-rich vegetables and fruit were associated with a reduction in CRP levels; the authors of this study did not observe any change in plasma concentrations of vitamins C or E over the four-week period (76). Consumption of fruit and vegetables, in general, has been inversely associated with CRP levels and other biomarkers of inflammation (77-79). In two small intervention trials, consumption of tomato juice or a tomato-based soft drink was associated with decreased markers of inflammation (80, 81), but other dietary components of tomatoes besides lycopene, such as vitamin C, may in part be responsible for any beneficial effects on inflammatory processes (80). Larger clinical trials are needed to determine whether lycopene or other carotenoids help reduce inflammation and risk of associated diseases. For details on carotenoids in the prevention of cardiovascular disease, see the article on Carotenoids.
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/micronutr...flammation

I'm seeing red,
A preliminary investigation of the enzymatic inhibition of 5alpha-reduction and growth of prostatic carcinoma cell line LNCap-FGC by natural astaxanthin and Saw Palmetto lipid extract in vitro.

J Herb Pharmacother. 2005;5(1):17-26.
Abstract
Inhibition of 5alpha-reductase has been reported to decrease the symptoms of benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH) and possibly inhibit or help treat prostate cancer. Saw Palmetto berry lipid extract (SPLE) is reported to inhibit 5alpha-reductase and decrease the clinical symptoms of BPH. Epidemiologic studies report that carotenoids such as lycopene may inhibit prostate cancer. In this investigation the effect of the carotenoid astaxanthin, and SPLE were examined for their effect on 5alpha-reductase inhibition as well as the growth of prostatic carcinoma cells in vitro. These studies support patent #6,277,417 B1. The results show astaxanthin demonstrated 98% inhibition of 5alpha-reductase at 300 microg/mL in vitro. Alphastat, the combination of astaxanthin and SPLE, showed a 20% greater inhibition of 5alpha-reductase than SPLE alone n vitro. A nine day treatment of prostatic carcinoma cells with astaxanthin in vitro produced a 24% decrease in growth at 0.1 mcg/mL and a 38% decrease at 0.01 mcg/mL. SPLE showed a 34% decrease at 0.1 mcg/mL.
CONCLUSIONS: Low levels of carotenoid astaxanthin inhibit 5alpha-reductase and decrease the growth of human prostatic cancer cells in vitro. Astaxanthin added to SPLE shows greater inhibition of 5alpha-reductase than SPLE alone in vitro.

PMID 16093232 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Anti-cancer potential of flavonoids: recent trends and future perspectives
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3824783/

[want2beme]

Hello!
I am new here but have always wanted breasts. I've been reading many threads and was wondering if the plan you had at the start of this thread has changed at all?

I would love to get started on the plan asap!

[Lotus]

Hi Alexis,

"full time fox?'' I sense there is some sort of double meaning here, but not exactly sure. what it is. I love foxes and sometimes have imagined myself as one haha that's why the "part time fox". But now am curious to know what you meant there! <3

The meaning behind the " Full time Fox " reference is simple, why limit yourself to just being a part-time fox, that's the way I took the meaning of your fox reference, lol not the furry kind. 

I've been thinking about the "proverbial trans fence" you told me long ago, and have been wondering for a while what my life would be if i'd transition or not at some point. Thinking of going back to a LGBT friendly place to discuss this (been there one year ago but never came back).
I think I'll write something on the thread one of these days, as there is quite a bit of stuff to say, like the other day which i kinda outed myself in front of my mother and brother (still not exactly sure if i got taken seriously or not).

It's in the open now, have you spoken to either one of them since?

It would be great to see regular posts from you! You have always been inspirational for all of us. I also have a diet plan to follow so I understand the motivation thing.

I wish I had the time to post more content tbh, trust me I have MORE breast growth related science topics to share, hopefully soon because some of it is real breakthrough technology. 

L. 

[Lotus]

Hello!
I am new here but have always wanted breasts. I've been reading many threads and was wondering if the plan you had at the start of this thread has changed at all?

I would love to get started on the plan asap!

Hi, I used this plan. Additionally, there's other things to add that will help with breast growth and the formation of breast buds...aka: Terminal End Buds(T.E.B's) that will be shared at a later date.

Pueraria mirifica @ 500-1500pm (daily)
Progesterone cream-⅛ teaspoon per breast (3-4 times per week)
MSM 1-3g per day. antioxidant, taking msm facilitates a pro-breast growth pathway called STAT5, it's a protein synthesizer, Meaning it helps raise growth hormone.
Vitamin D3 & Calcium, helps with breast growing. If you take Calcium you need V-D3 to become more biologically active. Source vitamin D3 with organic olive oil. 
Melatonin (dosage varies per person), taking this is going after REM and Deep sleep stages (@ body healing), and other things. 
Reishi extract-follow manufacturers dosing guidelines, the higher the polysaccharides the stronger anti-androgen. Like this one below, it's organic and 35% polysaccharides. 

Technically, MSM stimulates the stat5 pathway which facilitates phosphorylation and the nuclear translocation and DNA binding...in other words it helps with breast growth. MSM also stimulates prolactin and enhances GH (growth hormone)lol.