[Lotus]

Other pics-the bare boob was a post pumping pic, something Lara might appreciate from back in the day, I don't pump anymore though.

Very nice pics again. Is that a waist trainer/corset you're wearing btw? You said your band has gone down to 36, due to weight loss? I've lost some too and I think very soon nearly all 38's might fit the best. My currently best fitting bra I keep on tightest setting as it gives such nice lift and its kinda stretchy material. Non stretching stuff, I'm not sure as some manufacturers just do their own thing.

Its interesting how I seem to have almost opposite shape than you btw, I mean root width + height. I envy that projection.

Thank you Lara, yes that's a waist trainer, I got it hoping it would help for posture after the back surgery, I'm finally at a point I can use it. My bottom rib(s) are a problem, I think. The weight loss seems to help a little imo. You kidding right? I've seen your protection...you have no worries there hon. 

[Heaven's Night]

Other pics-the bare boob was a post pumping pic, something Lara might appreciate from back in the day, I don't pump anymore though.

Very nice pics again. Is that a waist trainer/corset you're wearing btw? You said your band has gone down to 36, due to weight loss? I've lost some too and I think very soon nearly all 38's might fit the best. My currently best fitting bra I keep on tightest setting as it gives such nice lift and its kinda stretchy material. Non stretching stuff, I'm not sure as some manufacturers just do their own thing.

Its interesting how I seem to have almost opposite shape than you btw, I mean root width + height. I envy that projection.

Thank you Lara, yes that's a waist trainer, I got it hoping it would help for posture after the back surgery, I'm finally at a point I can use it. My bottom rib(s) are a problem, I think. The weight loss seems to help a little imo. You kidding right? I've seen your protection...you have no worries there hon. 

I would want to pick up the pace with my corset again. With the stuff gone from my waist it should be much easier to wear it now, it has plenty of room to go tighter too lot of joy from that thing to come. Oh and do wear it! Anything that gives you a nudge about posture helps a ton! I should do that too as I have a tendency to hunch over when I sit and that sucks. Its making my neck and shoulder pain worse which has been a problem for quite a while now unless I religiously wear a bra all the time.

Ummm projection has been the theme for the last five months or so, thank to Tanner four growth, its almost all just outwards. Still wanting more though, boob greed is real.

[Lotus]

Posture is everything, that's what my physical therapist tells me (who I paid an arm and a leg for...pun intended) no she's right though. Look on YouTube for posture stretching (mild exercises), start with the neck. You'll be amazed after a few weeks just by doing the stretching and strengthing how you'll feel.

[Heaven's Night]

Posture is everything, that's what my physical therapist tells me (who I paid an arm and a leg for...pun intended) no she's right though. Look on YouTube for posture stretching (mild exercises), start with the neck. You'll be amazed after a few weeks just by doing the stretching and strengthing how you'll feel.

Yes, stretching is a big deal! I do that with neck and shoulders every day, not enough though. I thank myself for my past with weight lifting and martial arts for knowing what works. I should really start to do corset training again, just to make sure my posture stays as I sit quite a lot. I should really do this because shitty posture for enough years might in the end spell out broken back and its such a pain to fix and sometimes just impossible. Oh and of course, better posture makes boobs grow a cup size in a heartbeat.

[Eloise]

Lotus, 

Fabulous.  That’s all I can say.  Absolutely fabulous.

I tried the backdoor PC route with 200mg and it seemed to immediately jumpstart growth and to round out what I had.  It also made it more permanent.  That is, if I went on break I could generally go back to flat-ish.  But not after a few months of PC.  Those girls were there for good  

Also, basic yoga stretches to strengthen posture are great.  I try to do frogs pose a few times a week.

[Mel87]

Amazing Progress in those latest pictures Lotus, that alone to me is very telling on the power of NBE. I'm so glad to be here especially with the close and very close friends I've made here since. 

[Lotus]

Lotus, 

Fabulous.  That’s all I can say.  Absolutely fabulous.

I tried the backdoor PC route with 200mg and it seemed to immediately jumpstart growth and to round out what I had.  It also made it more permanent.  That is, if I went on break I could generally go back to flat-ish.  But not after a few months of PC.  Those girls were there for good  

Also, basic yoga stretches to strengthen posture are great.  I try to do frogs pose a few times a week.

 

Thank you Eloise,

I believe in progesterone's potential, it doesn't work for everyone though, and not everyone is on board with the science either. Here's one doctors perspective who's a Professor of Endocrinology at a university in Canada.

Progesterone Is Important for Transgender Women’s Therapy—Applying Evidence for the Benefits of Progesterone in Ciswomen
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/10...81/5270376

[Lotus]

Amazing Progress in those latest pictures Lotus, that alone to me is very telling on the power of NBE. I'm so glad to be here especially with the close and very close friends I've made here since. 

Thank you Mel, I'm so glad you found us (and Lara) wishing you all the best in your journey. 

[Lady Charlotte]

Lotus, 

Fabulous.  That’s all I can say.  Absolutely fabulous.

I tried the backdoor PC route with 200mg and it seemed to immediately jumpstart growth and to round out what I had.  It also made it more permanent.  That is, if I went on break I could generally go back to flat-ish.  But not after a few months of PC.  Those girls were there for good  

Also, basic yoga stretches to strengthen posture are great.  I try to do frogs pose a few times a week.

 

Thank you Eloise,

I believe in progesterone's potential, it doesn't work for everyone though, and not everyone is on board with the science either. Here's one doctors perspective who's a Professor of Endocrinology at a university in Canada.

Progesterone Is Important for Transgender Women’s Therapy—Applying Evidence for the Benefits of Progesterone in Ciswomen
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/10...81/5270376

thankyou Lotus, thats an interesting article x

[Lotus]

thankyou Lotus, thats an interesting article x

You're welcome Lady Charlotte 


Short-Term and Long-Term Histologic Effects of Castration and Estrogen Treatment on Breast Tissue of 14 Male-to-Female Transsexuals in Comparison With Two Chemically Castrated Men
https://journals.lww.com/ajsp/Fulltext/2000/01000/Short_Term_and_Long_Term_Histologic_Effects_of.9.aspx

When searching for progesterone research years ago I came across this (albeit small cohort) study which I shared with BN. Biopsy specimens of breast tissue chemically castrated male-to-female transsexuals was used for
histopathologic research (e.g) cancer, gynecomastia, subcutaneous mastectomy, prostatic carcinoma, breast augmentation, etc. 

Quote from the study:
Conclusion 
 A slight increase in the plasma estrogen-to-androgen ratio usually does not induce acinar and lobular formation in the male breast. In men treated with non progestative antiandrogens for prostate cancer, only moderate acinar and lobular formation occurs. Only in male-to-female transsexuals in whom progestative chemical castration is combined with feminizing estrogen therapy will full acini and lobular formation occur. Hence, combined progestative antiandrogens and estrogens is necessary for the genetically male breast to mimic the natural histology of the female breast. Orchidectomy does not contribute to the development of acini and lobules. Metaplasia may occur in breasts of male-to-female transsexuals, but so far, only four cases of breast cancer in male-to-female transsexuals have been documented. Provided that they are treated conservatively with estrogens, it is suggested that male-to-female transsexuals have the same annual risk of breast malignancy as do genetic females.
End quote.
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Worth noting is the use of cyproterone in this study, which is a progestative drug as it is mentioned, which stimulates the formation of acini and lobules in breast tissues. Acini in breast tissue represents milk ducts and is part of the TEB (Terminal End Bud) which are several hundred per cell, lobules are also milk ducts.

The study doesn't mention specifically when progestative drugs were added to each program (unless I missed it). Aside from my own personal growth, I made my mind up on when to add progesterone, and also in part from research like this and others like it, but also in large part the fact estrogen and progesterone are released at the start of menstruation during puberty. 

" Combined progestative antiandrogens and estrogens is necessary for the genetically male breast to mimic the natural histology of the female breast "

Or, HRT program:
Micronized progesterone, E2 and an AA (like bicalutamide) MSM, Vitamin D3, melatonin, as a base program with other options below:


Or, NBE program:
PM, progesterone cream, Red Reishi, MSM, Vitamin D3, melatonin, as a base program listed on page one of this thread.


Cayenne/Ginseng Tincture

 Ginseng initiates the cAMP/PKA/CREB pathway which is a major breast growing pathway.The ginsenosides in ginseng inhibits glucocorticoids, which is beneficial for breast growth, though in the beginning of breast growth glucocorticoids are needed.

So you make a liquid tincture with these, meaning with 6-8oz of water, squeeze in 1/2 of a lemon, (lemon are acidic outside the body but alkalizing in the body...plus it inhibits T) and cayenne liquid extract, aids in reducing stomach fat too. The cayenne has quite a few health benefits, like it's an appetite suppressant and initiates thermogenesis in fat cells, which is beneficial for breast growth, you'll find information on thermogenesis in this thread, type in thermogenesis, cayenne in the search option on the bottom on each page. I purchased cayenne extract on Amazon, I found one that's alcohol free and organic. Please discuss using Cayenne/Capsicum with your health care professional, it may not be right for everyone. The instructions on the extracts say to dilute the extract...this is very important. 

I've been cataloging research for years lol, recently I came across information on how TEB (Terminal End Buds) are created, other than what's been discussed in this thread this process is derived from TGF-alpha/EGF as being essential for the growth of breast buds (aka-terminal end buds). TGF stands for Transforming Growth Factor, and EGF for epidermal growth factor. Honestly it's exciting science