[LauraSWEETS]

                Hello,
I am a new member of this site and very enthused to be here.
I have read about every thread on the subject of NBG looking for some answers, but it seems the more I read, the more I get confused.
I am currently taking the following per day.
1200 MG fenugreek
375 MG saw Palmetto
Mother Love More milk special Blend 550 MG
containing the following, but the bottle does not say the amount of each ingredient.
goats' rue
fenugreek
Blessed Thistle
nettle leaf
fennel seed


I am also doing a daily pumping, then applying both Progesterone and Estrogen creams massage in.
I want to have a fully feminine body (breasts, increase my butt size and thicken my thighs a bit, and soften my skin all over)
I am currently a 36 B. The only concern I have is losing my libido and the total functionality of my penis.
I currently have 2 owners that are wanting the feminization to be done, but not loose the functionality of my male part.
I am so willing to listen and try all of your suggestions. 
I have attached a photo taken while pumping.
Thanks so much in advance.

[Karen Hart]

Welcome to the club!

Your pic did not show up.  Please try again. I wanna see!

How long have you been on this regimen? It sounds like a lot.
You may be able to simplify it considerably.

For me, a basic rule of thumb is to use the minimum to get the desired effect.
But, that's not everyone's plan.

I think that bombarding your system with too many supplements, especially at high doses, 
is not necessarily more effective, and may be more dangerous.

Looking forward to hearing other's opinions on this.

In order to maintain functionality, cycle your supplements on and off. 
When your performance starts to decrease, take a break for however long it takes to get it back, then start again.

[tomi66]

@LauraSWEETS,
Feminization is tough without taking a hit to the libido, Karen Hart's suggestion of cycling is what seems to work for most,it may lengthen the process, not sure though. 

I am on a year BO/PG blend, that while true has hit my libido, I supplement with cialis and a viagra 2 hours before sex that seems to work well. 

While there is limited scientific data on BO, there is some anecdotal evidence that BO may be more permanent on Feminization, most of the folks on here who have looked into BO and or been on it say that it os powerful and don't recommend it if you are not serious about Feminization. 

I am 10 months plus into it and I have increased 2 cup sizes and my wife says my but has gotten a little fat  . I feel I do have some fat redistribution, I also feel more comfortable going into stores to buy women's clothes amd try them on for fit and feel more comfortable getting my toenails done with my wife,but I am not sure if I feel more feminine, only because I have always been a little on the fem side internally, outwardly though you could never tell. 

It took me a couple of months to decide on which NBE to take. As I wean off BO, I will certainly track how permanent the changes are. The only thing I have heard comes back is the libido, which could take a couple weeks to a couple months, but that doesn't start until I am completely off BO. 

Hope my thoughts and little knowledge helps.

[tomi66]

@LauraSWEETS,
here is some information from a website that says pretty much of what everyone else has explained to me at some point. 
"Yet another option for estrogen is bovine ovary pills. The bovine ovary is exactly what it sounds like – the ovaries of a cow. This method of breast enlargement is based on a centuries-old concept known as glandular therapy. It operates on the idea that like cures like.

Bovine ovary pills are different from herbal breast enhancement pills in that they do not contain estrogen of their own. Instead, the bovine ovary works by stimulating the pituitary gland, which is your body’s major hormone regulator, so that you can produce your own hormones. In men, bovine ovary pills begin to cause a process called aromatase, which occurs naturally in the female body.

It’s a process by which the body converts testosterone into estrogen. In around six months time, bovine ovary pills reprogram the way the male body processes hormones. Your breast become bigger and fuller, your hips widen and round out, your moods will change, and you might even smell different. This is why Bovine ovary is recommended only for men who desire to permanently become women."


Keep in mind, a few other supplements help, L-TYROSINE, iodine and D3/K2 along with calcium citrate and multi-vitamins. There is another that slips my mind right now but if you go the BO route I can share more info with you.

[LauraSWEETS]

Welcome to the club!

Your pic did not show up.  Please try again. I wanna see!

How long have you been on this regimen? It sounds like a lot.
You may be able to simplify it considerably.

For me, a basic rule of thumb is to use the minimum to get the desired effect.
But, that's not everyone's plan.

I think that bombarding your system with too many supplements, especially at high doses, 
is not necessarily more effective, and may be more dangerous.

Looking forward to hearing other's opinions on this.

In order to maintain functionality, cycle your supplements on and off. 
When your performance starts to decrease, take a break for however long it takes to get it back, then start again.

I finally was able to add the picture, but it appears 4 times   Enjoy

[LauraSWEETS]

@LauraSWEETS,
Feminization is tough without taking a hit to the libido, Karen Hart's suggestion of cycling is what seems to work for most,it may lengthen the process, not sure though. 

I am on a year BO/PG blend, that while true has hit my libido, I supplement with cialis and a viagra 2 hours before sex that seems to work well. 

While there is limited scientific data on BO, there is some anecdotal evidence that BO may be more permanent on Feminization, most of the folks on here who have looked into BO and or been on it say that it os powerful and don't recommend it if you are not serious about Feminization. 

I am 10 months plus into it and I have increased 2 cup sizes and my wife says my but has gotten a little fat  . I feel I do have some fat redistribution, I also feel more comfortable going into stores to buy women's clothes amd try them on for fit and feel more comfortable getting my toenails done with my wife,but I am not sure if I feel more feminine, only because I have always been a little on the fem side internally, outwardly though you could never tell. 

It took me a couple of months to decide on which NBE to take. As I wean off BO, I will certainly track how permanent the changes are. The only thing I have heard comes back is the libido, which could take a couple weeks to a couple months, but that doesn't start until I am completely off BO. 

Hope my thoughts and little knowledge helps.

Thank you so much!
Your reply does make sense. If I may ask. I know what B.O. is, what is the P.G that you are referring to?
It seems I may need to cycle. Maybe 1 week on, 1 week off?

[LauraSWEETS]

@LauraSWEETS,
here is some information from a website that says pretty much of what everyone else has explained to me at some point. 
"Yet another option for estrogen is bovine ovary pills. The bovine ovary is exactly what it sounds like – the ovaries of a cow. This method of breast enlargement is based on a centuries-old concept known as glandular therapy. It operates on the idea that like cures like.

Bovine ovary pills are different from herbal breast enhancement pills in that they do not contain estrogen of their own. Instead, the bovine ovary works by stimulating the pituitary gland, which is your body’s major hormone regulator, so that you can produce your own hormones. In men, bovine ovary pills begin to cause a process called aromatase, which occurs naturally in the female body.

It’s a process by which the body converts testosterone into estrogen. In around six months time, bovine ovary pills reprogram the way the male body processes hormones. Your breast become bigger and fuller, your hips widen and round out, your moods will change, and you might even smell different. This is why Bovine ovary is recommended only for men who desire to permanently become women."


Keep in mind, a few other supplements help, L-TYROSINE, iodine and D3/K2 along with calcium citrate and multi-vitamins. There is another that slips my mind right now but if you go the BO route I can share more info with you.

Thank you for your advice.
It sounds like the B.O. route is what I need.
To keep my libido and functionality, I suppose I will need to cycle my regime. What would you suggest? 1 week on, 1 week off?

[tomi66]

@LauraSWEETS,
I really can't speak to cycling from a personal standpoint but I have read many posts about cycling and some folks do a week on and a week off and others cycle their programs like the female menstrual cycle, 3 weeks on one week off etc.. 

PG is Petuitary Glandular, it works in conjunction with BO. 

I am uncertain how it will work with BO, as it is something that, at least in my case, is slowly increased every month until the maximum amount is taken, then at the end of 12 months the process is reversed, gradually weaning off. The effects are supposed to be permanent and the body will automatically amatorize t to e like a female would. We shall see though, as I said there are not a lot of studies on it.

[LauraSWEETS]

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Thank you so much for your input.
I want to be as feminine as possible but keep my libido and working male parts.
I am also still researching to see what would be best for me.

[LauraSWEETS]

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