[basedandfempilled]

I am currently looking into the idea of increasing estrogen only using aromatase.

I would be using:

Reishi Mushroom to stop the conversion of testosterone to DHT and leave more for aromatase
EGCG to block DHT and promote aromatase
White Peony extract to promote aromatase
Hops to activate estrogen receptors
Dandelion root to upregulate estrogen receptors
PABA to decrease the rate of the break down of estrogen
Bovine ovary, although very sparingly so as to avoid permanent effects


How far do you think I could get trying to increase my E purely by producing my own?

[OOO]

How far do you think I could get trying to increase my E purely by producing my own?

Need to talk with senior members about the point of no return.  They warn me, did I listen, NO, will you listen, you will have to decide. THE POINT OF NO RETURN DOES EXISTS.

[wee2er]

Hi,
Sounds feasible but guess it would take a long time to see any results from it,  also how will you measure the results, breast growth and or blood works?
Weezer

[Pandora56]

. THE POINT OF NO RETURN DOES EXISTS.

Aka DNA Methylation 

I wonder especially with Female Glandular's if they active / deactivate sooner. Also this shines light on the 6 months thing..

[wee2er]

Very interesting research, I've always thought the point of no return was more psychological / mental acceptance than physical, but there may well be a scientifically proven  'switch'.
More digging to be done!
Thanks Pandora

[Karen Hart]

Oh, it's real alright! 

BO flipped my switch in 3 days with 3 LOW doses. BO is not to be played with. 
When I decided to try BO was after reading that a person had to take it for 6 months minimum to flip the switch.
I thought that gave me some time to play around a bit. Wrong. I never took another dose of BO.

That was 1.5 years ago. On the 4th day, my ability to get an erection severely decreased. 
Sperm production was about 5 drops of clear fluid. This sudden change freaked me out.
Over the next few weeks, my testes shrank a little bit and my muscles got significantly weaker. 
I lost interest in cross-dressing and sex in general. 
I lost my feminine feelings and basically felt asexual.
All the fun of growing breasts and being a woman, gone.

Now, 1.5 years later, some of my sexual feeling and feminine feelings are slowly returning.
Erections and sperm production are still down at the same level it first occurred.
I do believe that my breasts and butt have continued to grow, slowly.

Anyway... it is real... be forewarned.
It is a mistake to think you can just dip your toes in the BO water (maybe you can, maybe you can't). 
My recommendation is bio-identical Estrogen & Progesterone, which I know is effective and controllable.

Karen Hart 

[tomi66]

I would agree that there is a point of no return for BO,as for the permanence of BO, idk. If it were so permanent and effective why would someone pay a doctor 10's of thousands of dollars a year for drugs, blood work and countless checkups. But maybe it is permanent and doctors don't want us to know.

From personal experience, I started BO because of the efficiency and low probability of negative health effects such as DVT and blood clots, as experienced with PM with some people. Not to say PM isn't a good option, I just figured I didn't want to chance dying for bigger breasts, even the the probability was low.

Almost 2 years on BO and I can easily present as male and with some light makeup and a good wig I can present as female. My sex drive is low, but it was low before I started. I now take a low amount of BO as a maintenance program along with some orchic Glandular to help with testosterone production, gotta have T for the BO to convert it to E, hopefully I am producing enough free T to convert to E.

I do think I do present as a female fairly well, maybe not the prettiest but that's ok too.

   

[DruLactin]

The concept of using orchic glandular to generate testosterone for the ovarian glandular to transform sounds a bit crazy to me, because the dummy in me thinks "oh, thing is same as other thing but dude, thing cancel out other thing". but i guess there's no reverse version of aromatase. testosterone converts to E, not vice versa. weird stuff. Has it been working for you better, can you tell?

[Ninja]

Yes you do present as female 

[tomi66]

The concept of using orchic glandular to generate testosterone for the ovarian glandular to transform sounds a bit crazy to me, because the dummy in me thinks "oh, thing is same as other thing but dude, thing cancel out other thing". but i guess there's no reverse version of aromatase. testosterone converts to E, not vice versa. weird stuff. Has it been working for you better, can you tell?

Hi DruLactin,
It does sound counterintuitive but, I may oversimplify the process, thinking about needing a certain amount of free testosterone to convert to estrogen in the aromataze (sp.) process, I thought it may be worth a try.

The reason why; I have been on BO for almost 2 years, my gonads have shrunk to almost nothing and I was just tired a lot and my stamina was pretty much gone. I have already increased 4 inches in my bust, and a little in my butt, I don't have a baseline though, and I was getting fatigued just walking up stairs. So I chalked it up to low T. That's the why.

Well it's been a couple months, my scrotum is still tiny, my breasts are taking better shape but not so much in growth, more like rounding out a bit, and my energy came back, also my body hair, where it exists is really thin and grows back slowly. So I don't think it has stalled anything.

I take my BO before bed and my OG in the morning, both with PG, I think that is important in the process. Really this all just an experiment, so I will monitor my progress and if I start having to shave more and my feminine features start to revert to male I'll cut back or stop the OG.

Thank you for the nice compliment