[Pali1010]

Hi breast family, 

I have had this crazy desire to have real female breasts for years and now that i am 30 i think its time i finally listen to what my mind is telling me. I am happily married and soon to be a father. I started using natureday products roughly 3 years ago and still currently do but my supply is starting to run low. Although i have achieved some growth (A Cup) i wont be ordering their products again. I have shared this with my wife and she has been nothing but supportive. I used to just wear bras at home the odd time kind of like a fantasy but now i have began to wear them everyday and simply do enjoy it. The want and need for real female breasts has grown and i guess thats what led me here. I think the time has come to stop messing around and begin a regime that will make me truly develop real breasts for good. I would absolutely love to experience the process of breast budding and then continue taking the supplements until i have reached a size that is comfortable for me. Im guessing this will take roughly 3-12 months somewhere around there? Have you guys noticed faster progression if you have previously been taking other supplements (natureday) for years?

I have no intentions on ever transitioning and will remain straight for the rest of my life just with a larger chest. I have done quite a bit of reading on this site recently and it seems as if taking PM and RR will help me get the results im looking for quite a bit faster. I have even shared this idea of altering my hormones with my wife and she is very very skeptical as in no way does she want them to change who i am as a person. So... with this comes a number of different questions i have for all of you that went forward with this journey gaining first hand experience. 

1) I understand that by shifting your hormones enough to make your body experience female puberty it comes with more than just breast development. Softer skin, mood swings, body fat redistribution (hips and ass), less body hair, decrease in male odor, decrease in libido and erectile function, breast and nipple development. Am i missing any? My main question is.. Once you stop taking all the supplements, do all these changes remain or do they all revert back except the breast development? Is your body figure forever changed? 

2) I would love to have enough growth so my breasts have real female nipples and are able to fill a B or C cup. I understand there is a chance this temptation could grow and the desires might not just end there. From the people that have taken it and stopped for good... was it quite hard to finally stop? After you have reached your goal did you find yourself wanting to order more and more continuing get bigger and bigger? 

3) After you achieve your goal and stop taking all supplements, did it change who you were as a person besides adjusting to life with the breasts you've always dreamt of having? Like was your personality different? Did all your male functions completely come back? 

4) For the ones who have taken this journey with kids. What did they think? did you share the truth with them or just rub it off as gynecomastia? Im assuming once your kids become teenagers they are going to have questions that you will have to provide an answer for. 

Thank you so much for your support. Any response and advice is greatly appreciated as i begin to navigate through these rough waters with the challenges of remaining a straight male who is a family man.

[huckleberrywine]

Nice post! I share many of the same questions. It's great that your wife is on board. I'll be following...

Huck

[Stevenator_]

It is my understanding that after stopping NBE/HRT that all changes will revert with the exception of breast tissue growth and decreased fertility. You lose some breast volume, or breast deflation, when fat re-shifting occurs.

This is why some suggest to use a sperm bank to ensure your future fertility availability, if you plan to pursue HRT. It is my understanding that a member of this board fathered a child while on PM, but I believe that was at a reduced dosage and not a "transition dose".

My personal experience in this area is that I ceased ejaculation around the 18th month mark of taking PM/HRT. I have read if people recovering this ability after ceasing NBE/HRT, but as far as I know this is a roll of the dice.

This is where I wish Lotus could chime in, because of her extensive knowledge about how NBE/HRT affects male vs female fat cells, as I am not an expert. My comment above is based on numerous search results that generally agree on that subject.

As far as the "mood swings" associated with NBE/HRT, I don't have any. If anything else, I'm a much more calmer person now. As far as the so-called crying bouts I've read about before, I've only experienced this twice briefly, and it was when I was on PM. I'm a much much happier person now on HRT.

One thing I've noticed that the longer I've been on HRT, the easier I get personally intimidated around groups of straight men, (at a bar, sporting event or places where Dudes congregate). That's a weird one to accept.

Another "permanent" change that I am also unsure of reversing, is the so-called "pelvic tilt". Mine kicked-in at the 18th month mark on PM, and I lost two inches in height. That realization was a gut punch at first, but one that I've since embraced.

I would assume that it would reverse, but supposedly all these reversible changes will take just as long or longer to reverse, than the changes took to take place in the first place.

As always, ymmv, take Internet forum advice with a grain of salt, etc etc. You can always do a keyword search in the science threads on this website. At the bottom of each thread on this site is a keyword search function.

Best of Luck to You.

[tomi66]

Hi Palichuck,
From my personal experience with BO. My goal was to try it for a few months and if nothing happened I would reevaluate, if I started developing changes I would continue for a year and reevaluate again. Well it was working for me after a few months so I continued.

My goal is not to transition but to develop feminine curves and turn moobs to breasts, the pelvic tilt was something I learned about later. It's been almost 24 months now and I can still present as a man but I can also present as a female, probably not the prettiest but I get called ma'am when going out as a female.

Before I started BO I enjoyed dressing up pretty and that still continues. I still have no intention to transition nor do I forsee a transition for me in the near or distant future. As for sexual urges and desires, I still have them, it's just very difficult to maintain an erection without Rx help, I still have plenty of ejaculate but it is definitely thinner in consistency.

When I started BO I thought I could put and end date on it, but I did not realize how it would affect my mood like it has, I don't mean in a bad way, I don't have mood swings, I just feel calmer even in stressful situations, and my job brings me into some high stress environments, so I have continued on what I call a maintenance regimen that seems to work well for me, besides I really don't want my figure to revert back, my curves are still getting more defined.

I would say my biggest struggle was weight, I was struggling to keep it off and not gain weight, now that I have lowered my intake I have lost 30 lbs and my curves are starting to really take shape.

I am not sure if my answer helped, one thing to consider is it effects some of us differently than others.

[wee2er]

Hi Palichuck,
Fairly similar here male staying male, wanting nice fem B-cup breasts, nipples and areolas.
I've no experience with natureday products but have been on PM, HRT & BO.
Just be mindful when thinking PM/RR is the fastest method as we are all different for some herbs (and BO) do very little, so you may likely to tweak your regime and timescales to achieve your desired results.
I think you will also find that you will end up continuing on a regime, even just maintenance, as you will want to keep what you have achieved.  
Another point to be wary of and this caught me out, as I developed B-cup curves up top I realised that it would look far better with curves down below, which has led me onto to feminising the lower half.
For me there is no addiction to wanting bigger boobs but a desire to have matching curves to give that overall feminine shape.
For reference, I'm now on HRT & BO which seem to be steadily working slowly but surely.
Hope that helps.

[Shirazmn]

Hi Palichuck, a lot of your thoughts and questions sound very familiar to me.
I too am married and we have a 7 years old boy. I started toying with PM and NBE when my wife was pregnant. Actually, just before she got pregnant. We had to use IVF so I could count on the doctors to do some part of the work regardless of my level of fertility. IVF was mostly for my wife's issues, not for mine. Even if I had played with PM for a few months, my sperm count (after a 2 month break from PM) was perfectly fine.
Fast forward... by the time my son was 4 years old, I managed to grow enough boobs to fill a B cup. My boobs did, and still do, look like moobs because they are wide apart and on a wide chest (due to years of swimming), but that didn't stop my son from pointing them out and flicking them (it's hard to explain limits to a 4 years old kid). That made me very self conscious: what would happen in the future? How would he see me if I grow larger boobs? The question comes around every year when we have to go to the seaside for our holiday: what would he think? What would our family and friends think? We see my wife's family every 18 months, would they notice the change and think it's weird?
So far it has been almost 8 years since I started toying with NBE, and in the last 12 months I have definitely gained a lot in terms of mass. I remain a chubby guy, not obese, so some extra flesh on my chest has to be expected, but my left nipple is moving the the upturned position that you would expect on boobs and not moobs. In short: they could be noticeable if anyone knew that I am not the stereotypical "cis straight manly chubby guy". I look just chubby until you find out that I've been crossdressing on/off for most of my life, if you know what I mean.

Regarding how your family and child will see this in the future, I can only share my thoughts about crossdressing: my child is more important than my crossdressing. As much as I love to push the boundaries and throw the odd piece of female clothing in my everyday mix (all my lounge/payjama pants are women's and I used them even if the neighbours come for a beer), I would never want to cause embarrassment to my child or, worse, be the cause of bullying "because your dad is weird". I play, and rather enjoy, the part of the "tough" guy in my everyday life, and keep my fetish crossdressing feminization side for a more private time. My wife knows that I like to crossdress (well, there are 50 boxes of high heels and 4 huge boxes of women's clothes i nthe house that don't belong to her...) , and for as long as the kid was very young I was even wearing sport bras and ballerina shoes around the house, but that all came to an end when we realised that our kid could remember, compare, and ask questions or talk about it to his friends. If your child has yet to be born, you'll have a couple of years of "free for all" time, but then you'll have to take a decision about whether to tune things down or go all-in and present yourself in a completely different light to society (CD? Trans? Queer? Hippie?). If you really plan to remain in the "males staying males" camp after growing boobs, keep in mind that up until a B cup it's almost OK to go topless to the pool and at the beach (taking your child to swim is a very good thing, family bonding time and important moment to teach some skills). From a round C cup upwards... things may get awkward if you are skinny. Look around and judge how many men in your area have naturally occurring boobs due to fat, age, gynecomastia ecc... every place is different. It's more common than we assume, but not everywhere.

So, to your questions:
1) When you stop supplements, most changes revert unless you have been on supplements for decades. Lower-body changes, skin texture, mood... they will almost certainly go back to normal. You will also notice a decrease in breast size. Assuming you are lucky enough to get to a B cup in just one year, if you then stop it will revert to a more modest A cup (that on a male's chest is usually almost invisible).

2) I think many around here would say the same about how easy it is to stop. I have personally stopped for good and decided never to do NBE again! Like, I am super sure of it, and I was super sure of it each and every one of the 5 times I've said it and stopped in the past 7 years. Right now I can fill a D cup after some pumping and I am sure I don't need more. So I won't restart. OK, I have 150 caps of PM that I will maybe use in September after the seaside holiday, you know, so they don't go to waste. And I may just look into getting one bottle of E gel or two... But yeah, I've stopped... I mean, just a bit more won't make a huge difference, right?

3) My function is back with a vengeance. When you stop all supplements you really feel the testosterone raging. I go from pure apathy when taking PM to full-on everyday horniness when taking breaks. You must make sure to control your instinct. I realised that a week after stopping, more or less as long as it takes for the phytoestrogens to leave the body and the testosterone to come back, I behave like a total dick. I hate myself for how snappy and arrogant I am. I need to make sure, every time, to double check everything I say. At least I know when it's coming. It's a bit like being a teenager again for a few weeks, with huge mood swings.
And, do you go back to being who you were? Personally I am sliglthly less confident than I was before, and it's mostly a physical self-consciousness. 10 years ago I would go to any pool party, take any chance for a quick holiday with friends to the seaside, etc... now I feel like I always hold back whenever I would have to get topless. It doesn't happen every day, but I feel the change. I have a friend's birthday party in 10 days, on the beach. I am not dreading the moment, but I am not as relaxed as I was 10 years ago. Also, my t-shirts tent a lot on my chest: I started choosing my clothes more carefully and I slouch a bit more sometimes to make sure that the tenting is not so obvious.

4) I described the situation with the kid above. I am not sure if I'll ever talk to my kid about this as I would have to disclose the whole crossdressing thing. I don't NEED to show the world my boobs, so it's unlikely that I'll ever walk out of the house wearing a deep neck low-cut top to show my cleavage. If one day he asks, I'll just say that I am chubby and I have gynecomastia. I only hope that he'll ask before any of his friends say anything.

Sorry for the very long reply. I tried to be as open and accurate as possible so you can have a taste of things to come.

[Pali1010]

Thank you all for such great reply’s!! Moving forward with this conversation…

I’m assuming most of you have experienced breast budding and growth to at least a B cup. How did this process feel? Was it as amazing as we all imagine it to be? That is my goal. I would love to experience this and would be completely content with full B cup breasts. I understand that everyone is different and their body reacts differently depending on what you take. From my past experiences when ever I have went off natureday products for a while my growth has remained. I am very curious to know if the breast budding progress you all have achieved remains or if that starts to regress after you stop all supplements. Do your nipples remain feminine just like your breast tissue growth? 

I feel that the general consensus is that almost everything will revert back to the way it was once you stop unless you go even further into full HRT therapy… even BO. It seems as though your breast development also takes a bit of a hit and starts to
Become more manly after the testosterone takes back over. Is that a fair assessment? 

I completely understand the desire to keep going and going and how that can be very tricky to navigate once you finally decide that enough is enough. Also being very mindful that anyone who has actually stoped for good is likely no longer part of this forum and has deleted this out of his life. That’s how addictions work. You have to remove all temptations from your life to be successful. Speaking from experience I appear to be similar to a lot of you as I have taken products for 3 years now in hopes to get bigger breasts. Slowly but surely they are getting bigger and I love every part of the tiny bit of cleavage that is starting to show through. Will I be able to stop once i experience breast buddying and reach my goal of a full B cup? I truly think I can but time will tell I suppose . 

Lastly as for the recent reply regarding the struggles of navigating through parenthood with breasts on your chest… yes I completely agree with you and it will forever remain challenging especially if you continue to wear bras (or reach a point where you need one) id have to assume you would have to come clean and answer to your family at some point unless they buy into the gynecomastia story. I entirely believe that becoming self conscious in certain situations is very real as I already feel that especially when I’m wearing a bra in public. It changes you for life and I think I can live with that. 

Thank you all for your continued advice & support. I look forward to discussing things further so I can feel completely informed heading into a very big life altering decision.

[Kay Lady]

Sorry about the late post, life has been very busy for me lately. I enjoyed reading all the posts above and thought that I would share a few thoughts. First, I don't want to be male and I never have. I have lived my entire life as male and I am only partially out as a transwoman. The situation is messy with family, work, friends and neighbors. I am not sure how far out I will ever go. I get dressed up when I go to my hair stylist and around the house. I am constantly working on myself with reading self help, meditation and therapy. I guess time will tell how my life unfolds.

I have always wanted breasts and carried a little extra weight so I have always had small boobs. I have always massaged and stimulated them as they loved the attention. About 10 years ago, I was diagnosed with cancer and underwent treatment, actually twice. I started seeing a doctor who also recommends supplements. He had me taking reishi, green tea and curcumin. I was also reading a lot about cancer and natural supplements. As I was scanning an article, I saw a supplement called 8-pn (hops) and the article said that it was anti cancer but could make your breasts grow. So I bought some and added it to my routine. I started with one capsule a day. Around that time I also admitted to myself that I was transgender and decided to stop hiding that from myself. I see my doctor often for cancer check ups and he says to keep doing whatever I am doing.

I also wanted to add, taking NBE has made me even more sensitive emotionally. I cry at movies and I feel empathetic and nurturing. 

I will never stop taking some kind of natural product to feminize my body. I take 2 capsules of 8-pn per day, with reishi, green tea, curcumin and sometimes drink mint tea. My breasts are A cup size. That is fine with me for now. I can feel then during the day as they hang if I bend over, or reach and my arms brush against them. I really don't like to go shirt less anymore. I like thick t-shirts to hide my breasts. My kids are grown and out of the house so no chance of swimming or going to the beach. And my kids are part of the group who would not understand if I transitioned. It is hard to think of losing communication with my kids.

[OOO]

Kay Lady,

Saw your post and it’s a hard pill to swallow!  Hang in there and keep going strong and you’ll get things going your way.

It reminds me how lucky some of us are.  So your post does help others.

Stay strong!

Pooky

[Pali1010]

Thank you for your response and sharing your story!! I’m so sorry to hear that and wish you all the best moving forward with so much love. 

I’d like to bring a few of my previous questions up again… 

I’m assuming most of you have experienced breast budding and growth to at least a B cup. How did this process feel? I understand that everyone is different and their body reacts differently depending on what you take. From my past experiences when ever I have went off natureday products for a while my growth has remained. I am very curious to know if the breast budding progress you all have achieved remains or if that starts to regress after you stop all supplements. Do your nipples remain feminine just like your breast tissue growth? 


I’m booked in to see my family doctor in November (the earliest i could get in) how do I go about brining this up to her and what are the questions I need to be asking about taking PM, RR and others.

Thank you,