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Hi All
Just wanted to put a warning out there. I know everyone's body reacts differently, I certainly wasn't expecting the results I got. I had been following the advice listed all over this site. Basically taking Ainterol PM - 2x500g daily, Red Reishe Mushroom, MSM, Calcium and D3K2, all as directed on bottles. Followed the protocol listed on this site. So, basically i was rushed to the hospital with a blood clot in my leg - 15 cm long. Spent the next 4 days in the hospital on blood thinners, and will now be on them for the next 6 months. Was very lucky as I was due to fly for 14 hours to the US the next day. Thankfully it was caught in time and I didn't travel. Very disappointed as I was so excited to grow breasts. Now.... never again taking PM - just to dangerous. So just a warning to everyone. Not sure what I did wrong, like I said I followed the protocols listed here.
Good luck to everyone, but be careful.
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I'm sorry to hear about your experience on PM. I've been on it for 7 months, but at a much lower dosage. I'm curious what symptoms did you have that sent you to the hospital? I've had some leg cramps, but I associate that with the warmer months and my active lifestyle. Nothing extremely painful.
Wishing you all the best!!
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(05-08-2024, 12:47 PM)randicd1023 Wrote: I'm sorry to hear about your experience on PM. I've been on it for 7 months, but at a much lower dosage. I'm curious what symptoms did you have that sent you to the hospital? I've had some leg cramps, but I associate that with the warmer months and my active lifestyle. Nothing extremely painful.
Wishing you all the best!!
That happened to me as well, and the reason I throw rocks at all the new guys that want to grow tits for fun.
For my symptoms, my BP had been high, 190/100 at times, and my lower leg, calf muscle would really hurt even with compression socks, then my leg began to swell and the doc sent me for a sonogram, Bingo DVT, blood thinners, etc.
Thats when I gave up on anything except massage.
Bobbi
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I'm sorry to hear that. I'm glad it was caught in time and did not have a worse outcome. I hope you're recovery goes smoothly and quickly. Thank you for sharing your experience.
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5 days on Barlowes PM put me in the hospital for 4 days with bloot clots in my liver. I'm doing better now but will be on blood thinners for a long time. Good luck to you.
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(05-08-2024, 12:47 PM)randicd1023 Wrote: I'm sorry to hear about your experience on PM. I've been on it for 7 months, but at a much lower dosage. I'm curious what symptoms did you have that sent you to the hospital? I've had some leg cramps, but I associate that with the warmer months and my active lifestyle. Nothing extremely painful.
Wishing you all the best!!
Thanks. It started a good month before being hospitalized. Would get tightness and aches in my calves. Tried red light therapy which seemed to help, and also stopped PM. Even walking up a very small incline my left calf muscle would ache, like I had done a vigorous workout. Wait a few weeks then started PM again. The ache returned but didn't seem as bad so kept on the PM. Woke up one morning and my calve was VERY swollen and tight. Noticeable larger than the right one. Waited 24 hours and then went to see my GP. The did a D-Dimer blood test. Mine came back at 9000, should be below 50. Went to ER immediately and they admitted me. Blood thinners for the next 6 months. After further research, and confirmed by doctors, HRT can cause DVT. So there ends my journey trying to grow breasts.
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06-08-2024, 05:43 AM
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PM can cause DVT, oral estrogens can cause DVT, proper conventional HRT can not! Transdermal or injected BIOIDENTICAL estrogens do not elevate blood clotting factors much if at all. I had DVT symptoms from PM which scared the hell out of me, the aches went away when stopping and that was the last time I was on PM. Note that I was on PM quite successfully before HRT for quite some time, the problem only showed up later. Back then I also smoked quite heavily which did contribute to the problem, as I have naturally thick blood. Its a life saver, but with cigs and PM it could have turned out fatal.
But no, proper bioidentical E2 does not cause blood clots. The moment liver metabolism is out of question and the hormone itself isn't synthetic, this problem ceases to exist. Gel, patches and injections are super safe on this, approximately 95% bypasses the liver using these methods.
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06-08-2024, 02:55 PM
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I'm glad you're okay. That's really a scary experience. I've been on PM for 7 months, and I'm nervous with every twinge, cramp, etc. I'm also a runner so my legs and calfs are sore and heavy sometimes, especially after a long run. I'm meeting with the doctor tomorrow to transition to HRT. I'll have this discussion with her prior to starting. I've been told injections reduce your changes of DVT, so maybe that's an option for you? Sending best wishes!!
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What about the PM cream, anyone have issue with that?
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Wow, that’s awful. How long were you on PM? I’ve been taking PM 500mg x2 and Reishi 500mg x2 daily for 14 months, I’ve had some significant results. I get mild leg cramps in the calfs that come and go that leave me nervous too. I’m taking a break this week and your post has got me thinking maybe this is a wake up call to call it quits.
