[OphelieBoots]

Hi everyone,

I am entertaining the idea to use estrogen cream (I have both Biovea's Estrio cream and Life-Flo's Biestro) to improve my 38C natural breast (some pics later on if you wish). 

Can I use them alone or maybe with some AA such as DIM? Or should I use another pill complement such as Ainterol's PM or fenugreek?

Should I use the cream directly on my breast or spread it somewhere else?

I am a little puzzled and haven't found much on this subject in this forum.

Thanks a lot for your help !

[Vana_B]

Can I use them alone or maybe with some AA such as DIM? Or should I use another pill complement such as Ainterol's PM or fenugreek?

Should I use the cream directly on my breast or spread it somewhere else?

Estrogen works through the entire system.   Everything I have read recommends to not apply to the chest, due to higher risk of breast cancer.   Stomach area or lower is recommended.   

The highest absorption rate is scrotum application, which is 7-10x higher than anywhere else on the body.   Applying here will also reduce your T levels, so an AA may not be needed.   I tried it Bi-Est 5.0 on my scrotum a for a few days and it kills erections real quick.  

Try at your own risk, I use PM topically and just starting to experiment with estrogen creams ever few days in place of PM, so I'm not an expert by any means.

[wee2er]

I'm no expert either, but 2nd Vana's comments on not applying E to the breasts, or rather HRT E (oestrogel etc) so presume its teh same fro the Bio-est etc.
I've just started using oestrogel and I rotate the application between legs, arms, back, butt and scrotum. It certainly seem to have quite a quick effect as my skin is noticeably smoother.
For reference I also take RR as my AA.

[CM213]

Do you think the risk for breast cancer is still the same if one does not have breast yet? 

Like if you have not started any growth would you think the risk of applying to ones chest is the same as someone who has had growth and or fully matured breast growth?

[wee2er]

I'm not medically trained so have no idea, but personally I wouldn't risk it.
Ultimately though it's your decision, good luck with whichever way you choose.

[Heaven's Night]

Where's Lotus when we need her?

I can't give a good answer to this, but here's a thing, topical DHEA can significantly lower breast cancer risk. I remember Lotus mentioning that progesterone cream might have some property like that too? At least it keeps local E levels in check. The topical protocol when done right combines bunch of things, including estradiol as gel. Topically, on boobs. The point is balancing, when its done with topical progesterone dosed right it should work out nicely. Topical DHEA elevates all estrogens locally, that means estrone, estradiol and estriol, all except E4 which doesn't have any known way to elevate except for pregnancy.

Interestingly, known breast cancer cases in trans women are very very few. For some reason? So yea, the warnings are correct, but they do not take in consideration a balanced topical program like the one I'm doing and what Lotus did and is someone else on BN on it too? 

I can only speak for myself here, but I've been on progesterone cream, estriol cream, estrogel and topical DHEA for quite long time now with zero bad effects and the result has been significant breast development. Obviously I do not know if I will develop a breast cancer because of this or NBE in general, but its very unlikely at this age and my genetics. (No breast cancer in family) Just that you know that positive experience exists and its not only me. Obviously, proceed with caution with any and all breast development methods as growing them itself elevates cancer risks, cancerous growth uses the very same growth hormone and growth factors as everything else does.

[CM213]

I just figured it might be more of a risk for breast cancer once an individual has had growth. Granted I know men can get breast cancer as well.

Like you say it's prob not worth the risk. I do apply it to my chest but it's in a rotation with other spots. I feel it has made my nipples darker in color and the tips are always pointy now vs the entire nipple being hard (like when you're cold). 

Once I do have growth I'll prob stop applying the bio est cream to my chest and only use a progesterone/dhea combo that lotus and Lara use on my chest.

[Heaven's Night]

Its always a risk vs. reward thing when there's growth happening as growth hormone etc., also feed cancer cells. And obvious breast cancer risk might get higher when there's more tissue to go haywire, would seem logical. I so much wish Lotus was here to talk about this or that we would have a doctor here to who would know better.

I used to talk with a guy who used to lurk the forum and maybe post? He was specialised on breast cancer treatment so very well in the know about this stuff and also breast development and endocrinology. I haven't heard of him for a long time though.

Note about DHEA that its said to lower cancer risk, but topically applied its elevating local estrogens, but all three, not just estradiol. So does the balance stay natural? I think so because DHEA is a hormone precursor and its our bodies doing the process of making stuff out of it. DHEA is a bit of a wild card on how it reacts as it can turn into was it like more than twenty different hormones? I'm quoting this stuff out of memory so take it with a grain of salt.

I'm crazy enough to experiment with all this, I'll keep documenting everything, so if I turn out to be a bad example, that's a lesson too. I'm ready to take one for the team.

[OphelieBoots]

The discussion is getting interesting. I have seen other threads that advocate putting estrogen cream on the nipples to help their development.

For example, that one..

https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=29680

I also read something on the Project X page, but can’t find it back as it has become so huge…

Other advices are more than welcome!

[Heaven's Night]

I'm using Divigel (estradiol hemihydrate) and estriol cream as part of my topical protocol. On the entire breast with the rest of the stuff. Worth pointing out that DHEA topically on breasts elevates all three estrogens (Estrone + estradiol + estriol.), then there's progesterone from capsule (Progestan) and Progesterone cream.

Only side effect is breast growth. DHEA has peculiar quality of lowering breast cancer risk when done like this. (Lotus has posted about this, its somewhere in X thread, I have some of the study article saved somewhere where this comes from.)

Conclusion being that boosting local estrogens might not be a bad idea when its done in a balanced way.