[PerkyAcups]

I have been off of NBE for quite some time now.  I will like a little more growth.  Partially to get that rush of knowing I might be growing again and I would like a lite a little more size, but not much.  Alot of this is for the excitement and fear of growing more.  I would prefer not to get back on PM pills and long regiment again.  I recently started using progesterone cream.  Is there anything like Red Reishi or something I could take for a little while to get a little growth you recommend?   I like the creams I can massage on the breasts.

[CM213]

Maybe a cream that contains pm? 

Or an estrogen cream like bio labs bi-est 5.0

Possibly the topical applications that lotus has mentions in project x starting on pages 480 (ish ) and higher, in conjunction with dhea. 

There is also creams that only contain Volufiline which will aid in fat production in the area is it applied to. 

Not sure if you would get the same rush or any growth without being on a full time routine. 

Hell maybe speak with a doctor and get a super low dose of hrt and do not use any anti androgen, just the mono therapy and you'll more than likely aee some more growth, slower than a full on HRT program containing hormones and anti androgen...  And I feel mono therapy is easier to stop than a full blown hrt program where that would most likely have to be slowly tapped off. 

Maybe get back on nbe routine that you used to get this far and only keep it at half what you were taking. 

All just food for thought.

[PerkyAcups]

Thank you for the response.  I ordered progesterone cream. I have been applying it several days a week for about 2 months.  I don't know that I have had real growth, but I swear the breasts feel heavier. What would adding an estrogen cream do?

[wee2er]

In very basic science and do correct me if I'm wrong:

progesterone promotes side branching & fullness
estrogen promotes projection and size

[PerkyAcups]

so progesterone will make them bigger and estrogen will make them stick out further?

[Shirazmn]

Progesterone will make them rounder and more mature, possibly giving larger areolas and bigger nipples. It gives them a less girly and more womanly look.
Estrogen will make them grow larger.
Keep in mind that progesterone can hinder growth, so you should start using it when you reach a size that you are already happy with.

[PerkyAcups]

I would like to be rounder. Bigger areolas and nipples would do wonders in a more feminine appearance. But, I would like to be just a little bigger.  . 

I think i need to add some fullness, especially on the top. To be honest, a little more growth scares me a little. I am barely under the radar now. I ordered a bottle of estrogen and progesterone. I will have to figure out which one I Should take. Can I alternate them?

[Heaven's Night]

How exactly can progesterone hinder growth? Just asking because I've been on progesterone in some form for approximately thirty three months non stop and I've grown from average to bigger than any normal size range in that time, especially after I started progesterone. And after starting bovine ovary, which too is quite loaded with progesterone according to one of the few studies cited about it, so even more prog...

It hasn't hindered volume growth, it hasn't stopped projection at all, it has only helped with siude branching/fullness, areola width etc. 

Only thing about it is to start bit later than right away, it might be useful to wait until late Tanner stage three before starting, that's the only thing about it, otherwise it can be done orally, rectally or especially topically without any fear of hindering progress in any way. It can only help or not do much, but it wont stop anything.

Also, why toy around feminising hormonal body modificiation if its scary? 

[PerkyAcups]

Also, why toy around feminising hormonal body modificiation if its scary? 

I love having my small breasts.  The thought of having them bigger turns me on.  I am very much a masculine man in every way except breasts.  It scares me because a little more growth may make the breasts much more noticeable. I want to enjoy having breasts but fly under the radar most of the time.  Walking the tight rope is a little scary.

[Stevenator_]

Flying under the radar is possible, because I do it all the time. I present as male in public with no plans to change that. You just have to switch from tight shirts to loose button shirts. Depending on the situation, I wear a compression shirt. It works.

Many of us in the beginning of this quest tend to think that everyone can see our small tits and know what's going on. I used to work at an international airport and I'd have personal interactions with several hundred people a day and I'd be on guard for any double-takes, side-glances or rude looks. I never got a single one.

I don't go out and drink much anymore, but in my small redneck town there are few options to do so. They all happen to be redneck biker bars. So I'm naturally on-guard for the obvious reactions I'm potentially subject to. So far they haven't happened and I'm doubly on guard for any ensuing gossip. I wear dark plaid loose button shirts and fit in with the crowd.

As far as progesterone goes, it needs estrogen to work as progesterone on its own is unlikely to give you any gains as progesterone works in synergy with estrogen. You should look at it in the way of female breast development and the role progesterone plays in their monthly cycle.

Also remember that DHT is the enemy of breast growth. Red Reishi is a good herbal AA that blocks DHT. Without properly blocking DHT then you can be at risk of imperfect breast development. I failed to realize this in my first many years on this path, and I'm only now starting to recover.

If you're worried about maintaining male function, Tadalafil (Cialis), is an excellent option. I like it much more better than Viagra.

Another option that I personally recommend is talking to an endocrinologist to explore a low-dose avenue for non-binary people. Pharmaceuticals are vastly superior and vastly cheaper than the DIY smorgasbord of herbs we throw at ourselves. Plus the taxation on our body issues, too.

You will be able to obtain the results you desire at a vastly quicker pace with pharmaceuticals than the snail's pace of NBE herbs. If you're still committed to DIY, then you can obtain pharmaceuticals through online pharmacies.

One more thing that is often ignored for those of us who are advancing in age is growth hormone plummets when we get older. You need growth hormone to grow breasts. There are a few weak oral options available, but by far the best is regular high intensity interval training exercise and intermittent fasting.

Everything you need to know about breast growth is contained in the science threads on this website. Many members here are recommending the topical approach and The Topical Protocol by Lotus® is a game changer that does work.

Lastly, clean your liver and keep it clean.

Best of luck to you.