[OOO]

Jessi

Apology excepted. Was just hard to read when you’re facing a surgery of that magnitude.  Enough said!

Thanks again for the kind words.

Have a great and safe evening.

Caylee

[DruLactin]

Jessi: " I would love to have a different set of genitalia but I hesitate in the face of a surgery having the potential to, like all other surgeries, go terribly terribly wrong, even if I would really appreciate the results of a success. I fear the risk too much."

Caylee: "You're stupid and ignorant and should think before opening your mouth and [ I'm just not going to continue this summary because I just can't possibly make a comedic hyperbole, it's just so, so, so extreme an overreaction, anything else would just sound like a misrepresentation in bad faith]"

Jessi has nothing to apologize for whatsoever. If you feel invalidated because someone fears the potential drawbacks that you are unafraid of, you are not valid. Personal preference is not a slight against you.

-Aria

[Heaven's Night]

Come on, give Caylee a bit of mercy. We should know on a personal level what a mindfuck dysphoria is and what gargantuan insane undertaking transition is... She mentioned mood swings and taking a break from the forum. Its no wonder a trans woman at beginning of transition can and will get upset about a lot of stuff.

To be honest, seeing men play with fetish fantasies about having both genitals is upsetting stupid bullshit which pisses me off too. Its like they take our needs and problems and wank all over them. Downgrading women to not much more than porn category is extremely disrespectful. If you don't understand why someone might get upset by threads like this, shut your trap and grow up.

We're supposed to support each other, not bicker amongs ourselves. So leave Caylee alone and lets let this stupid fetish thread sink.

[Lotus]

How bout we dial back the insults please. I took Jessi's post to mean the “worst case scenario”.... e.g. botched surgeries. Nothing wrong with alerting folks to know the hidden dangers behind trans surgeries. When I had my Gender Affirmation Surgery(aka- G.A.S) three years ago I should've asked more questions. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/s/xNiEs2tBzC

[OOO]

How bout we dial back the insults please. I took Jessi's post to mean the “worst case scenario”.... e.g. botched surgeries. Nothing wrong with alerting folks to know the hidden dangers behind trans surgeries. When I had my Gender Affirmation Surgery(aka- G.A.S) three years ago I should've asked more questions. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/s/xNiEs2tBzC

First Jessi and I are OK

THANKS for the Reddit link have read it 3 times.

If you don’t mind me asking what questions should you have asked that you didn’t.

You are certainly welcomed to private messages if you prefer.

Just trying to dot all the eyes and cross all the t’s.

This is not a small thing. As you know better than me.


Thank you!
Caylee

[Jessi]

First Jessi and I are OK

Bless you, sweetie.

I really should have listened to that inner voice telling me to carefully set the thread down and slowly back away.  Next time maybe I will.  I had good intentions, but we all know what the road to Hell is paved with.  This felt (and I see I'm not alone) like a Futanari fetish thread.  which is fine, I like thought experiments- but bottom surgery is for folks who are super committed into dealing with dysphoria- not some fetish fantasy.  You know that intimately, since you're planning to do it.  And I had this impression the thread was playing down, cheapening, if you will, the effort and commitment a trans person has to go through and have, to have bottom surgery.  It don't get seriouser than that.  That's serious quality of life stuff.  Complete surgical transition's runnin' with the big dogs, and the concerned part of me wanted to scare the little dogs back under the porch.  Me?  I'm a little dog.

[Heaven's Night]

The thing with surgery risks is a valid concern... But for a trans woman, being without dysphoria alleviating care is putting our lives at severe risk every day. There's a reason why suicide statistics for untreated dysphoria are mind numbing. Its direct threat to our lives to not get to live in anatomically correct body.

Then take costs, the pain, difficulty, slow pace and the enormity of the process to consideration and then realise, no matter how far we go and no matter what we do, transition is the most unthankful thing ever. We're still stigmatised and treated like subhuman garbage despite everything. If those twats who hate us understood the pain and effort and risks we have to deal with every day, their hate would likely dilute quite a bit because this isn't something for weak of heart. 

This is why men fetishising transition and trans women feels so degrading. Its like taking our pain, painting it into a caricature and wanking on it.

We're no joke. It takes ton of desperation and courage to do this. Transition is for the toughest of all people because weaker ones couldn't handle it. For me this is the most demanding undertaking I've ever done in my life, often the good sides are barely worth the hurt.

[Stevenator_]

We'll said, DiDi.

<3

[CM213]

First to answer the question that is the topic of this thread.

 Honestly I don't know. If hypothetically I was born with both and I pressented more female than male than I'd prob have some body image issues and most likely have the penis removed at some point just so I could feel like a normal.woman, and not hide or be embarrassed if I were using the locker room at the gym. 

If I were more masculine then my answer would be the same. I'd prob want surgery so it would appear that I only have a penis, again for the same reasons.  

And those answers are assuming I have no wish to be the opposite gender, or have any dysphoria what so ever, and assuming we live in the current state of society that we live in. 

I'm sure those individuals who really do have both sets of genitals and their parents didn't do anything about it when the individual was still a baby, I'm sure they feel like outcasts. I'm sure they deal with a lot of body image issues depending on how they present themselves everyday, and I'm sure they get taken advantage of by people who want to exploit them for porn. Being different is not a bad thing or a curse, but society makes being different bad and a curse.

Being as I do have gender dysphoria I feel this topic is a bit taboo. And since it's in the adult only section of the forum makes me think that this was more or less about a specific category of porn where there are individuals who have both sets of male and female genitals but from the outside appeal all female. That's the vibe I originally got from this thread, and again with the Internet and porn being everywhere you look, and being so destructive and addictive I feel that this is not really a productive topic on the forum. It will just increase people's fantasies and further remove them from reality. all the while being demeaning to those.who suffer on a daily basis, as well as degrade women as a whole. But that's the porn industry for you. Everyone has their own kinks and vices. To each their own I guess, as long as it doesn't affect me.

But if you want change you have to be the change, and unfortunately the world hates change.

[prostatenipple]

HelloDiDi, I fear you might have too much hate in your words.


Please be respectful of others - not everyone is facing dysphoria. Some don't even know they are facing dysphoria. For some, this (visiting this forum) is the first step towards working through their dyspohia. Some are facing it quietly, for fear they will be bundled into boxes by other people that feel they speak for everyone.


I don't think Jessi was insulting at all.
Please be kind and respectful.

For me:
I wish I could have both sets of genitals. Partly for fetish reasons. Partly because I often don't feel masculine nor feminine. I just am. I don't know what it is to be masculine or feminine. Does that make sense?