[Heaven's Night]

I got some things cleared up, awesome. One thing I want to point out about the topical protocol so that no one makes a mistake about it, the few things I'm experimenting with which deviate from the base of this program are to test out some new ideas, the core of the program works well on its own, do not get distracted by the side show I have going on with it. Its not necessary, but it may turn out being helpful.

I'll make something on my program listing that makes this apparent as what the topical protocol needs to work is nothing more than DHEA, Prog and E2 along with perhaps a local AA.



fem394, for the creams Biovea brand is pretty good, but they're also expensive. I haven't found others who make DHEA cream who would deliver to Finland so that has been the only one I've had. For progesterone cream I've used many brands, the thing you want in it is USP micronised progesterone. Or it might read USP bioidentical progesteroe. That's the thing you want as that's the real stuff, other than that, shorter list of ingredients is better.

But as DHEA cream is expensive, much cheaper choise is to find micronised DHEA in capsules and using the powder mixed with cream of some sort, that costs a fraction and you can easily get the recommended dose that way. Of course it means a bit more work than ready made cream  but if cost is what makes or breaks, go for it. I've gotten amazing results since I upped my dose using the micronised DHEA powder from capsules. The main difference is dosing, the stuff itself is exactly the same regardless if its cream form or not.

[wee2er]

I concur, mixing micronised DHEA into a cream works really well, I've mixed in oestrogel and progesterone and the DHEA dissolves brilliantly in either.

[SweetO]

Hi Nexum, I'm temporarily using this subforum till I finish posting the information on my topical program. Using topical progesterone builds glandular tissue and side branching, as does DHEA. Estrogel/Estradiol increases the breast size by way of elongation. I'm against cycling progesterone (P4) more than every other day. Essentially you lose progress by going from 2 weeks on P4 to 2 weeks off. As you can see by the amount of information being posted... i put a lot of time gathering research to share why having a topical cream protocol. Even if you think you stalled I uncovered research that states T.E.B.s (terminal end buds) have a reserve (15-20%) that has yet to be used. I believe in that statement because I saw an increase of 3-4 inches by using my program. 

Hi L! I love this new brand thread so much 

"Essentially you lose progress by going from 2 weeks on P4 to 2 weeks off" I think I missed the other part of the puzzle. Damn, why I do not note down things lately, rggghh .

I think this is why I have aching/tenderness but not real growth. I cycle it, meaning I use PC only in luteal phase. And now I get WHY the cis females that were on birth control had such a tremendous boob growth = they were not cycling.    



Now comes the funny part, boob growth vs having the period. I think I will pick the first option for 2-3 months   ... however I know DHEA cannot be taken more than 25 days and Progesterone more than 2 weeks. Oh oh.

[Heaven's Night]

SweetO, Interestingly, I have not lost anything at all despite cycling progesterone 15/15 days. Not slowed down and definitely not lost any volume what so ever, but there's an explanation for that. Bovine Ovary, prog cream and Vitex. Also now Bovine Ovary taken orally and topically. 

I had to take a break from progesterone last year as my prescription ran out and I couldn't renew it and lost no progress, but I had slightly slower progress for a while. I was wondering why and I'm quite sure its BO that does it. Otherwise it doesn't make sense, unless I'm just the weird one out with this.

[Stevenator_]

RC does its own thing to further feminize fat tissue. Though the essence of how it works is a bit nuanced. Meaning, the feminizing effects of using RC (or pioglitazone too) takes longer, and you do want to have your E2 levels leaning towards female levels. I'll explain more later. I take RC with a few droppers in water.

I'm surprised I missed this, because this is excellent news! I've been curious about Pio, but wary of its supposed side effects. It's so cool to know that there is an alternative! I'm currently gaining more fat on my hips, ass & thighs, but it's nice to know now that there's a viable process to accentuate this!

I'm currently using RC Extract in the topical protocol, and taking a few drops orally too. I've been threatening to plant some red clover in the garden and I guess it's high time I do this again.

Thanks!

[Heaven's Night]

Few days shy of 41st month and almost one month on RC extract as part of topicals. I'm quite pleased so far, I think its working, but it'll take some more time to show visible progress. I think my latest pics did look a bit different from some weeks back, but the change lately is the kind I more feel than see in pictures.

Interesting thing about the progesterone cycle, I'm still on it. I haven't lost anything in between, but I'm also on Bovine Ovary and Vitex, both of which should help with progesterone levels. And Prog cream is always on, so maybe this explains it? I don't seem to fluctuate much at all regardless of my progesterone levels.

Anyway, the topicals work like magic and I'm trying to stock up some more. I'm planning to keep it going when I'm recovering from the fat transfer as it might help to retain the results. DMSO in particular might have that effect and I'm sure the breast tissue repair feature of DHEA will come in handy.