[CM213]

@heavens_night. I agree. The more I think about how I will go about it the more it makes sense to me to drop most of the nbe Supplements until I find the right dosage of HRT. 

On a different topic. I know I have read that some of you have felt like nbe has neutered you. Libido gone, urge to dress gone, the feeling of feeling feminine gone etc. 

I have noticed something similar. I slowly started to see my libido go, my desire for anything sexual decrease, less random erections or morning wood, and slowly I have lost the urge to do anything feminine, or I should I say I feel less feminine and don't have any urge to dress or try to even make myself feel feminine. 

This was a slow onset using NBE (specifically bo I believe), but now that I have started Spiro I feel it has really added to those . Like I almost feel like I'm neither fem or masculine, more non binary of anything. I felt I was more gender fluid before were some days I'd feel more masculine and other days more feminine. But now with Spiro I def feel neither. Which concerns me. I'm not sure how to describe it, but feeling non binary makes me feel less excited to transition, less everything around hrt and transition and becoming "her". Not sure if that makes sense. And the other day I had some serious brain fog going on that lasted all day.

Has anyone else felt this way. Does it go away after starting or adding estrogen into the program?

[OOO]

CM,
Just heard what TRUMP has planned for transgender adults yes adults.  It’s so concerning my wife and I are moving to another state at the least, maybe out of US for the next 4 years. As HRT may not exist. You may not have to make the hard decisions if you get treatment through the government, as it will probably be the first to go. We are doing our research now, though I would let you know because the way you talk today sounds as if you’re not aware.

Good Luck Stay Safe,

Caylee

[Csquared]

@heavens_night. I agree. The more I think about how I will go about it the more it makes sense to me to drop most of the nbe Supplements until I find the right dosage of HRT. 

On a different topic. I know I have read that some of you have felt like nbe has neutered you. Libido gone, urge to dress gone, the feeling of feeling feminine gone etc. 

I have noticed something similar. I slowly started to see my libido go, my desire for anything sexual decrease, less random erections or morning wood, and slowly I have lost the urge to do anything feminine, or I should I say I feel less feminine and don't have any urge to dress or try to even make myself feel feminine. 

This was a slow onset using NBE (specifically bo I believe), but now that I have started Spiro I feel it has really added to those . Like I almost feel like I'm neither fem or masculine, more non binary of anything. I felt I was more gender fluid before were some days I'd feel more masculine and other days more feminine. But now with Spiro I def feel neither. Which concerns me. I'm not sure how to describe it, but feeling non binary makes me feel less excited to transition, less everything around hrt and transition and becoming "her". Not sure if that makes sense. And the other day I had some serious brain fog going on that lasted all day.

Has anyone else felt this way. Does it go away after starting or adding estrogen into the program?

Spiro does have that effect in the beginning but when your estrogen starts to "kick in" you will definitely feel the effects.  You will definitely feel more fem, which is exciting, and what you see happening is far less stimulating than what you will FEEL.  Libido will increase, but it will be different.  For me, it has been more intense.  Maybe for you too?  All I can say is that E gives you balance.....you feel complete with it.  I can't imagine NOT transitioning and I have a LONG way to go.

[CM213]

Ok so I'm prob feeling this way due to not having much of either testosterone or estrogen in my system. I hope what you say is true about feeling complete, and feeling right.

But if that's the case then it's scary times ahead for the next four years or I'll possibly have to figure out how to source diy HRT depending on Trump and his plans.

[CM213]

@heavens_night. I agree. The more I think about how I will go about it the more it makes sense to me to drop most of the nbe Supplements until I find the right dosage of HRT. 

On a different topic. I know I have read that some of you have felt like nbe has neutered you. Libido gone, urge to dress gone, the feeling of feeling feminine gone etc. 

I have noticed something similar. I slowly started to see my libido go, my desire for anything sexual decrease, less random erections or morning wood, and slowly I have lost the urge to do anything feminine, or I should I say I feel less feminine and don't have any urge to dress or try to even make myself feel feminine. 

This was a slow onset using NBE (specifically bo I believe), but now that I have started Spiro I feel it has really added to those . Like I almost feel like I'm neither fem or masculine, more non binary of anything. I felt I was more gender fluid before were some days I'd feel more masculine and other days more feminine. But now with Spiro I def feel neither. Which concerns me. I'm not sure how to describe it, but feeling non binary makes me feel less excited to transition, less everything around hrt and transition and becoming "her". Not sure if that makes sense. And the other day I had some serious brain fog going on that lasted all day.

Has anyone else felt this way. Does it go away after starting or adding estrogen into the program?

CM,
Just heard what TRUMP has planned for transgender adults yes adults.  It’s so concerning my wife and I are moving to another state at the least, maybe out of US for the next 4 years. As HRT may not exist. You may not have to make the hard decisions if you get treatment through the government, as it will probably be the first to go. We are doing our research now, though I would let you know because the way you talk today sounds as if you’re not aware.

Good Luck Stay Safe,

Caylee

[DruLactin]

TRUMP POLITICS POLITICS TRUMP

I defended the lovely finnish lady when right-of-center ppl butted in with unwanted comments. In this case, the topic was never broached. I find this intolerable, and you should be ashamed. this isn't your thread, you introduced a new and very likely unwanted topic. At least jehovah's witnesses knock first.
Don't do that again, or if you do don't do it in any of my threads. Make a new thread, ppl will see it.
-Aria

(Feel free to call me out if im out of line, CM213)
EDIT: I didn't see the response, sorry, it seems the OP doesn't mind. still, it was very off topic, and that's very poor manners in lots of cases. be careful.

[Heaven's Night]

I find my libido being almost totally gone, and 100% under my control very soothing. There's no "need" for anything any more, my body isn't forcing me to release like what T dominance does. Its a huge relief, life feels easier in a way. But there's of course a downside to it.

Urge and need to dress up and stuff also goes away, but I've figured that's more of a balance change from "I need to" to "Now I am". These days I, how could I put it, feel feminine at all times, it doesn't wear off. Or should I call it having a peace of mind? Feeling right? Something like that. The urgency of all external things is gone and now its about existing. Its yet another huge mental relief. These are kind of things about HRT that's not talked so much. The mental change is massive, its like night and day difference to something better.

You shouldn't worry too much about something not being right if HRT makes you feel different, its not wrong, just different and keep in mind your body needs several years to fully adapt as we're inducing a hormonal second puberty quite literally. Its always weird at first. For me certain things started to feel easier and mentally more peaceful at around two year mark. I know a friend who told that to her it took about three years for everything to calm down.

Don't be hasty and don't worry too much, its very awkward at first when you don't know how it'll be like after a while. It'll grow on you.

[CM213]

TRUMP POLITICS POLITICS TRUMP

I defended the lovely finnish lady when right-of-center ppl butted in with unwanted comments. In this case, the topic was never broached. I find this intolerable, and you should be ashamed. this isn't your thread, you introduced a new and very likely unwanted topic. At least jehovah's witnesses knock first.
Don't do that again, or if you do don't do it in any of my threads. Make a new thread, ppl will see it.
-Aria

(Feel free to call me out if im out of line, CM213)
EDIT: I didn't see the response, sorry, it seems the OP doesn't mind. still, it was very off topic, and that's very poor manners in lots of cases. be careful.

Thank you Aria, you are right.

 But I don't mind the occasional off topic. And I understand that it's a very scary and troublesome time for many people (including myself). the unknown and the waiting are the worst. All we can really do is hope that our gov and our system of checks and balances actually work as designed no matter where one may fall on the political spectrum.

And yes I may have invited the comment by very briefly expressing my concerns for the future. 

But yes I'd rather not talk about trump and or any other politics. I'm sure there is a category specifically for that on the forum. 

And I really want to try not feed into and spread any more fear than is already out there.

[CM213]

I find my libido being almost totally gone, and 100% under my control very soothing. There's no "need" for anything any more, my body isn't forcing me to release like what T dominance does. Its a huge relief, life feels easier in a way. But there's of course a downside to it.

Urge and need to dress up and stuff also goes away, but I've figured that's more of a balance change from "I need to" to "Now I am". These days I, how could I put it, feel feminine at all times, it doesn't wear off. Or should I call it having a peace of mind? Feeling right? Something like that. The urgency of all external things is gone and now its about existing. Its yet another huge mental relief. These are kind of things about HRT that's not talked so much. The mental change is massive, its like night and day difference to something better.

You shouldn't worry too much about something not being right if HRT makes you feel different, its not wrong, just different and keep in mind your body needs several years to fully adapt as we're inducing a hormonal second puberty quite literally. Its always weird at first. For me certain things started to feel easier and mentally more peaceful at around two year mark. I know a friend who told that to her it took about three years for everything to calm down.

Don't be hasty and don't worry too much, its very awkward at first when you don't know how it'll be like after a while. It'll grow on you.

Thanks Lara, you always seem to know what to say to calm my worries. Lol.  I wasn't sure if I would feel "neutered" for lack of a better word, or if I'll eventually feel more feminine and stay on the more feminine side of the gender spectrum like I would like. The only thing I can compare is to is how some people have said BO did the same thing of making them feel neither masculine or feminine. 

But I'm glad it's just a phase (I hope) lol. 

I think I'm starting to get imposter syndrome. I feel like most things I say across different platforms is not in alignment with how everyone else talks, or their mind set. 

For example I asked if anyone knew of some good places to find women's clothing that fits larger framed people, or what brands were some good brands that have a good range of sizes. And the response was that, it' was just clothing, not specifically women's clothing. So bc I made the differentiation by specifically asking for women's clothing vs just clothing ( since it's assumed everyone is a women on some of these other forums and platforms),that there was no real help offered. 

That's just a simple example. But now that I feel more in-between genders more than ever I find myself not thinking and feeling like I was before I started NBE and Spiro to where I don't think or talk in terms of being feminine or a woman for that matter. 

I'm not sure if that makes any sense. I can't find the right words to describe it.

[Csquared]

I find my libido being almost totally gone, and 100% under my control very soothing. There's no "need" for anything any more, my body isn't forcing me to release like what T dominance does. Its a huge relief, life feels easier in a way. But there's of course a downside to it.

Urge and need to dress up and stuff also goes away, but I've figured that's more of a balance change from "I need to" to "Now I am". These days I, how could I put it, feel feminine at all times, it doesn't wear off. Or should I call it having a peace of mind? Feeling right? Something like that. The urgency of all external things is gone and now its about existing. Its yet another huge mental relief. These are kind of things about HRT that's not talked so much. The mental change is massive, its like night and day difference to something better.

You shouldn't worry too much about something not being right if HRT makes you feel different, its not wrong, just different and keep in mind your body needs several years to fully adapt as we're inducing a hormonal second puberty quite literally. Its always weird at first. For me certain things started to feel easier and mentally more peaceful at around two year mark. I know a friend who told that to her it took about three years for everything to calm down.

Don't be hasty and don't worry too much, its very awkward at first when you don't know how it'll be like after a while. It'll grow on you.

Thanks Lara, you always seem to know what to say to calm my worries. Lol.  I wasn't sure if I would feel "neutered" for lack of a better word, or if I'll eventually feel more feminine and stay on the more feminine side of the gender spectrum like I would like. The only thing I can compare is to is how some people have said BO did the same thing of making them feel neither masculine or feminine. 

But I'm glad it's just a phase (I hope) lol. 

I think I'm starting to get imposter syndrome. I feel like most things I say across different platforms is not in alignment with how everyone else talks, or their mind set. 

For example I asked if anyone knew of some good places to find women's clothing that fits larger framed people, or what brands were some good brands that have a good range of sizes. And the response was that, it' was just clothing, not specifically women's clothing. So bc I made the differentiation by specifically asking for women's clothing vs just clothing ( since it's assumed everyone is a women on some of these other forums and platforms),that there was no real help offered. 

That's just a simple example. But now that I feel more in-between genders more than ever I find myself not thinking and feeling like I was before I started NBE and Spiro to where I don't think or talk in terms of being feminine or a woman for that matter. 

I'm not sure if that makes any sense. I can't find the right words to describe it.