(12-12-2024, 06:19 AM)Bindian Wrote: Lotus,
So don't use Smoky Mountain PC? That's what I just bought.
hugs, Brandi
It's usable. I don't remember those ingredients when I used smoky mountain. I'll have to find a picture of the ingredients list I have on file. I'll be looking into finding an alternative that offers clean ingredients. I'll post what I think is a clean OTC progesterone cream later today... it's too late-or too early depending what time zone you're in for me. Take care
Hi Lotus, I will be very interested to hear what you conclude about the Smoky Mountain PC - I have several packs in stock which I’m using as the basis for my implementation of your amazing TCP!
In case it helps, I am trying to attach a photo of the label.
(This post was last modified: 13-12-2024, 06:31 AM by Lotus.)
Hi and thanks to those who shared concerns. Apparently the smoky mountain progesterone cream had the same ingredients as it does now... I'm surprised I missed the ingredients of concern. I can live with the SM PC if it has no Sodium hydroxymethylglycinate (SHMG) and Tocopheryl Acetate. I also would like to see caprylic/
Capric triglycerides in an organic form. If using RC try using a dab of DMSO... if experiencing allergic reactions i take an antihistamine.
(02-11-2022, 08:45 PM)Lotus Wrote:
I'm including 3 pics showing what E2 plus RC (red clover) does to my areolas, and nipples too. The 1st picture (on top) shows the after effects of the treatment. The 2nd and 3rd pictures are older pics w/o E2/RC.
I'm encouraged by the science I'm following on E2 (estradiol), seeing things we didn't know about E2... or it's potential.
E2 treatment increased the steady state levels of IGF-I mRNA 2- to 10 fold. In addition, E2 (10 nM) increased the level of collagen mRNA more than 2-fold.
Science indicates progesterone cream triggers GH and IGF-1 in breast tissue.
Topical Estradiol enhances the stimulatory effect of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) on mammary development and growth hormone-induced IGF-I messenger ribonucleic acid
E2 significantly enhanced the effects of IGF-I on mammary development. Plus, E2 treatment improves collagen synthesis by making new collagen.
I believe there's more IGF-I receptors in the T.E.B's (terminal end buds)... aka- breast buds than I knew about. Given that T.E.B.'s elongates breast tissue, i see E2/RC as a vehicle to get breast buds faster, and adding additional growth.
I tried to read (by today) all updated information on this thread and even used a translator to make sure, that I am on the right way. Anyway, there were questions, I hope I can get answers to...
1)
Lotus said: I'm against cycling progesterone (P4) more than every other day. Essentially you lose progress by going from 2 weeks on P4 to 2 weeks off.
so my question is: instead of using it 2 weeks and pausing 2 weeks, you recommend to use it every 2nd day ?
2)
in Lotus' first posting on page 1 you can read "DHEA dosage, 30 mg, cutaneous application, twice daily + FLU, 7.5 mg, sc, twice daily and (E) DHEA, 30 mg, cutaneous application, twice daily + EM-800, 250 μg"
I looked up at the Acronyms thread here on BN but can't find what
EM
FLU
mean... any help is appreciated
3)
I forgot the thread where I picked up the information that P4 can be also used in the evening (rectal way) - do we have information if this way is less effective for growth than using cream / orally
I appreciate your input - and Greetings from rainy Germany
I've been asked to share my topical program here, which I think is a good idea so its easier to find all information in one thread. As people know by now, this is based on the ideas Lotus has extensively posted about and I have expanded the TCP with absorbtion enhancing items into it along with estriol and Bovine Ovary. So here is a list of what and how and what each item does. This combination has been highly successful lately.
Quote:1. Micronised or cream form DHEA DHEA reverses breast athropy, elevates local E1, E2 and E3 levels and lowers breast cancer risk (Quoting from memory, see Lotus's thread on this!), works amazingly in unison with progesterone.
I used DHEA cream for quite long time on low doses, it did work, but slower than higher doses as micronised powder from capsules. I switched over to cut the cost as capsules cost a fraction of cream. It did work even as low as 15mg per day split on both breasts. At 30mg it got better, but 50mg and above is where it truly kicked in and since then I have settled at 75mg of micronised powder mixed with the rest of the ingredients.
2. Progesterone cream and/or micronised gel from capsules This should be self explanatory, works in unison with DHEA to a great effect.
I used Progesterone cream first at 20mg, then 40mg and later added 100mg first and then 200mg from capsules. Higher doses appear to give faster results. Essential part of breast development .
3. Estrogel and estradiol cream Both work in balance with DHEA and progesterone to aid breast development, all three estrogens are needed for healthy hormone balance and balanced breast development.
I use 1mg pouches of estradiol hemihydrate mixed with the rest and on the side 20mg of estradiol cream.
4. DMSO cream Absorbing agent, loosens skin which helps to develop more saggy look to the breasts, this might not be wanted if you have naturally loose skin. Might excite fat cell division and thus help maintain fat transfer results, might help with PPAR-y boosting items to build more fatty tissue. Allows bigger than micronised molecules to breach skin barrier.
I use approximately 1-2g of 20% DMSO cream mixed with other items, so the dosage ends up being 120mg - 400mg. This has been very helpful and it absolutely does what it promises, absorbtion rate is much faster and stronger than without, there's almost zero residue of anything the next morning and since picking this up, my breast growth has been substancial. Also my breasts have became much rounder and saggier since. If keeping them super extra perky is your concern, then avoid DMSO completely.
5. Volufiline oil 100% PPAR-y activator, helps to maintain and build healthy fatty tissue. Works on face, especially lips, cheeks, under the eyes etc. Slow cumulative effect, absorbs badly on its own but works much better with absorbtion enchancers.
I've been on Volufiline for almost nine months and its quite amazing, it absolutely does what it says to do, but its not miraculous crazy difference, rather a slow build up. Its also quite expensive, but definitely works as intended. Especially good when used with absorbtion enhancers. No side effects.
6. Cayenne extract 65-70% alc. vol. with Bovine Ovary Helps with blood circulation, alcohol boosts absorbtion, cayenne might help to elevate hepatocyte growth factor levels. Bovine ovary works in unisong with estradiol and is known to be very beneficial to some people on over all feminisation and breast development.
I'm doing 30-40 drops, first apply other topicals and then add cayenne and red clover extract, massage it in especially on areolas. I used ten BO capsules mixed into 60ml of cayenne extract, next bottle I will try 20 capsules instead.
7. Vitamin D3 oil Boosts local IGF-1 levels.
I do 2x 10000iu capsules a day, punch a hole to the capsule and mix the oil with the rest. This one I think is quite effective as I've noticed a difference since starting out. I'm not sure how this effects over all D3 levels when done topically. Note that crazy overdosing of vitamin D3 can be very harmful, but its quite difficult to pull off, topical application should be very safe as it shouldn't cause a massive rise of levels over all.
8. Red Clover extract Enables progesterone to work better, does a whole boatload of cool stuff, search the threads, Lotus posted a lot of studies and science about this not long ago and its all there. PPAR-y activator, likely has cumulative effect much like Pioglitazone and Volufiline.
I use 40 drops a day and its awesome. I'm almost two months in on it and it seems very promising.
9. Extra virgin olive oil. Building block for estrogens among amazing list of health benefits, good for skin and hair and can be used in many ways. Works like magic when done along topical progesterone, so I've heard, I'm sure there will be more information about this to post about.
I mix a dropper of olive oil to topicals daily, this is mostly to counteract skin dryness that absorbing agents and dermarolling cause. Alsi I'm taking a 4cl shot of the stuff after my NBE items and medications.
10. Dermarolling Enhances absorbtion by a lot, may cause mast cell granulation which causes heparin release which ends up boosting HGF levels.
I use 1,5mm wide roller for breasts, some days also 1mm one for areolas. First I spray somed disinfectant on all surface areas as cleanliness is imperative when dermarolling! Doing it without care for keeping bacteria at bay may cause extremely nasty skin infections as dermarolling allows a lot of stuff to breach skin barrier. Don't be a fool with this, always be sure that any area you dermaroll is super clean.
The order and timing how I do it:
Everything before sleep when I take evening meds. First I mix everything on a small plate with a ice cream stick, a small spoon could also work. First prog and estriol creams, then DMSO as to get approximately even emounts, then add DHEA powder, then estrogel. Next progesterone and D3 oil squeezed from capsules (What's left of Prog, I take orally to not waste any of it.), and finally Volufline and olive oils and then use the stick to mix them together and wait for a bit for everything to absorb together. Cayenne and Red Clover extracts I add later directly on breasts as otherwise the mix is too runny. Then spray disinfectant on my breasts to make sure no nasty germs and lurking about so dermarolling and DMSO are safe to use. Then use deramroller(s) in several directions, note that this can easily be aimed on a wanted area such as cleavage or underboobs etc. Then apply the mix of topical creams and oils on breasts evenly and massage them well. The combination of everything is quite a lot so I wipe off the extra and that goes on my hips, butt and thighs. This concoction works wonders on lower body thickness too so if you do it like this, there's double benefit. Then wash my hands and apply the extracts, easy to get dosing right using the droppers. Then let absorb for ten to fifteen minutes, some times longer. Wear a top of some sort which covers breasts entirely so I wont mess up the sheets and then lights out good night. Next morning wash off residue and repeat. I take 2-5 days off each month depending on timing of things, some times its a good idea to let your skin and receptors have a little breather until you go at it again.
There you have it, this is my topical program in its current form and I can tell this is like magic! Dosing DHEA and Progesterone made a big difference, but what truly kicked it in on high gear was adding absorbtion enhancing elements to it. Note that same results are very likely just using the essentials, but it likely takes a longer time to get there.
Little note about what's been going on lately, I had to stop cayenne extract due to it causing skin irritation which made my ezcema go wild. Its been all good, I'm slowly getting better since. I replaced it with adding a 250mg of BO powder into the topical mix as there is DMSO etc. to help it absorb and so far it feels quite promising. I've been on it for less than a week so I can't tell much yet about how well it works. Also experiment on RC extract and olive oil are on going and still fresh so more findings about their efficiency will posted in due time. I can tell its working like a charm, my bra was insanely packed full yesterday to the point I had to loosen the straps and it still got painful rather quickly. I might be soon without a fitting bra for a while if this pace keeps up. It seems that the latest updates on the program for last +4 months have been so magical the pace isn't going to slow down soon. Also I'm sure other program changes are playing their part, about which I've posted in my main thread, but the fact is that TCP is absolutely amazing invention on NBE. I'm cofident this story isn't over yet and new findings will happen, at very least more proof in measurements and pictures to show what it can do. So far everything I'm experiencing is mirroring what Lotus has been talking about, everything from breast volume to expanding areolas.
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