So I've been a feminine man and coming to terms that this is a real thing and I'd like to lean into it a bit more. However I ChatGPT has been confusing me. I have no intention of ever taking HRT as of now. I would love to however have less hair growth, softer skin, slimmer legs, a fatter peach, higher voice. God I'm sounding like I want to transition lol. I do no want to shrink my junk, lose my libido, or grow tits. Maybe I am pipe dreaming with all this. I already have gynecomastia that never went away from puberty. I guess its all or nothing from what I can tell here,  but Chatgpt is saying that BO or a female organ supplement will not actually physically feminize. It says only phytoestrogens can do that. I have naturally added 3" to my hip from lifting hard and dieting. Now cutting my waist to gain the desired hip ratio. Again I would love softer skin and to feel more like a woman on the inside. ChatGPT has been contradicting itself and I'm confused.  

You are in a tough spot.

BO has minimal research but it has shown effective in feminization with some an ineffective in other people. However I don't know of any herbal or pharmaceutical that can do what you want without some shrinkage or erectile dysfunction. If it's any consolation, after you stop HRT or Herbal therapy the the libido returns.

Thank you. Curious what a very low dose would do for me. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FRVWVHKD/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?pd_rd_i=B0FRVWVHKD&pd_rd_w=YHzj1&content-id=amzn1.sym.953c7d66-4120-4d22-a777-f19dbfa69309&pf_rd_p=953c7d66-4120-4d22-a777-f19dbfa69309&pf_rd_r=1QYKENYCHJBGAH8CFE3N&pd_rd_wg=tEgZG&pd_rd_r=648a3c26-786d-47d5-9d06-498799d349bf&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwy&th=1


I have these on order^. The BO content in that is very very low, but has some other female organs. Might start slow and just see what happens. Don't want to shrink my junk or lose fertility. 35 going on 36.

Swanson is the most popular product and has shown to be of good quality.
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/p/swanson-premium-raw-ovarian-glandular-250-mg-60-caps

Normally taken with Petuitary Glandular which may also be found at Swanson.

I don't know much about the company you found that has BO.

Some of the BO users will reply with their experiences, in the meantime I suggest that you read through BO threads until you are sick of reading through BO threads and see how the effects vary from person to person.  You already posted in the BO forum so all the BO specific threads are already listed for you.  To search through the other forums for incidental mentions of BO, you have to be a little creative, search terms are required to be over three letters, so searching for BO will not work.  Maybe search terms bovine, ovary, glandular, and some combinations of those words to find threads that are not specifically in the BO forum will help.


There is a lot of good information in this forum.

Don't use a fucking chatbot to figure out NBE stuff! Its a prompt guesser machine, not an "intelligence." Of course it fucks things up. CahtGPT is full of shit. Also bovine ovary DOES work to some people, not everybody though and its not fully clear why. I'm a prime example of howglandular therapy works if you need one. 

Also, no hormonal change will brighten your voice, only a surgery of voice training does as once your vocal chords have gotten wide and long enough, your resonance will be in male register. But you can do amazing change with voice training but it takes a lot of work. 

Note that phytoestrogens have very limited and slow effects, they do not compare the bioidentical hormone treatment in any way. This is a fact, people here often like to fantasize about phytoestrogens being a magic bullet for feminine body but that's not the case.

Thank you all for your responses

I’m leaning towards doing PM and only PM low dose if anything at all. I’ll monitor my bloodwork closely and if it’s getting out of control I’ll stop. I have been taking peptides pretty religiously and embracing a feminine active lifestyle whenever possible. Feminine workouts, cycling, yoga, deep stretching. Achieving the most feminine body I can without any of these hormonal changes. I’ve also purchased an emsculpt machine with the hopes of slimming thighs and growing glutes more. I’ve taken my glutes from 38 to as large as 43”+ naturally. They’ve tapered down with the weight loss to a solid 42”, but my waist is now under 35” and shrinking fixing my hip to waist ratio to the feminine range. I have virtually no fat on my ass it’s just all muscle. Any fat would be definitely appreciated to round it out. Just don’t really want my nipples any puffier. You can already see them through my shirt and have been self conscious my entire life. I probably have an A-cup already but they are mistaken for muscle with my shirt off. I’d invite just a slightly larger breast if anything, nothing major. Would love facial feminizing if that was possible without surgery. I’ve done some Botox and fillers already. Would consider more fem stuff enhancements in the future with that. Currently doing professional and at home IPL as well. Sorry to ramble on, just want to give the full picture. With the yoga and somatic releasing recently I have been able to really open up my feminine side that I have been suppressing for a decade or more. This is what has led me down this rabbit hole!