Does anybody else finds that each one of those herbs makes you feel completely different from one another. Red clover makes me feel feminine and horny, where is hops makes me feel relaxed and it also cuts down my libido. I almost want to say that hops feels like a weaker version of PM to me.
it makes me wonder if i should ever combine them.

Hi Alexis,

Hops has a huge effect on how you feel:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=31857&highlight=weepy#pid31857

I had to start maca to find my balance again:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=32228&highlight=mood#pid32228

Hops may be weaker than PM, but not much:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8294&pid=31824&highlight=deoxymiroestrol#pid31824

Red clover contains as much phyto-progestins as phyto-estrogens:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=30122&highlight=red+clover+progestin#pid30122
Progesterone increases libido in women.

Does anybody else finds that each one of those herbs makes you feel completely different from one another. Red clover makes me feel feminine and horny, where is hops makes me feel relaxed and it also cuts down my libido. I almost want to say that hops feels like a weaker version of PM to me.
it makes me wonder if i should ever combine them.

Hi Alexis,
Hops seems to work, I think, but slowly. My question then for you is, how much hops to use to cuts down the libido. I have had a period that I used quite a large amount per day but never had a real cut down of the libido, only a bit less probably. As I really like to cuts the libido down I like to know how much to use. I use it in combination with SP.

When I tried Red Clover and Hops some years ago, my libido dropped through the floor and some small growth,

Now on PM, fast growth and I am erect an awful lot of the time ?

Go figure

Julie

Hops won't cut your libido by much, Im currently taking around 400 mg of red clover tops extract and about the same amount for the hops, but i do not take them in the same time or else it gives me a heading. what im gonna start doing is take one capsule of red clover in the morning and one capsule of hops at night since it makes me drowsy and is the perfect time half an hour or so before bed. another reason why i take them separately is so they won't compete for receptor space. so by the time the red clover dissipates the hops take over the receptors and do their job. but that just a theory of mine. i know my dosage is pretty small but it'll give me an idea how much i will need to increase it to feel the difference.

Also Isabelle if you are saying that progesterone increases libido in women it sure
increases mine, but what does that mean?? i know guys have estrogen receptors. but i didn't know that guys also have progesterone receptors. is that it??

that being said should I have more estrogen or progesterone in my system?

Hi Alexis,

I don't know how progesterone increases libido. A search on the forum will tell: we cannot be the first people here with this question.

For breast growth, you need estrogen. If you don't want the teenage conical breasts any more, you will want progesterone, but it will stop growth. I'm in a lot of cycling discussions lately, and I wonder if any male NBEers tried that.

I mean 2 weeks estrogens, 2 weeks progestins, with less estrogens. The estrogens give "real growth", the progestins swelling, which becomes permanent over time, to a rounder shape. Look at this table, replace "PM" by hops, and "BS" by RC:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8440&pid=32874&highlight=caps#pid32874