[notrenoir]

I was wondering if any of the males on this forum have had any experience with UB. I started taking it 6 weeks ago using the recommended amount of 3 capsules (540 mg BO) and haven't seen any effects at all. I know patience is everything but I wonder if I should increase the amount like is recommended at Transfemme/Bountiful Breast. TF says men should take about 8 capsules a day (500 mg BO). I keep reading on the forum about PM and how people get tingles and such in 2 to 4 weeks. I chose UB because I wanted some of the feminizing effects and more permanent growth without maintenance dosages. I also chose it over TF/BB because of the cost. I would like opinions of people that have experience with BO based NBE. Thanks,

Notrenoir

[Pansy-Mae]

Hi,
I'll start by saying that I'm a PM addict with no experience of BO in any form, so I can't comment or advise on dosage. However, I think you may be a little confused on a couple of general points.
Firstly, the 'tingles' at 2-4 weeks that you mention, are not true growth, they are merely fat starting to re-distribute to the chest area. True growth usually takes 2-4 MONTHS to even begin.
Secondly, I stand to be corrected re BO, but whether you go the herbs route, PM, or BO, I think you will always need a low maintenance dose of whatever, to keep what you have gained. Just think about it...you have a normal male hormone production system, you fool your body by pumping in excess quantities of female hormones so that it develops breast tissue, but then as soon as you deprive it of the female hormones, although you'll keep the extra tissue that you've grown, all the fat which surrounds and fills out the connective tissue will go back to male pattern and disappear. That process is noticeable in less than 4 weeks.

[chrissie]

A good post from Pansy-Mae. First you will experience a feeling of increased fatiness, to the chest, followed by permanently erect nipples. Even then, tenderness and Knots, could be 3/4 months away. Patience, patience, patience is the mantra, patience, coupled with an awareness, of the slightest changes to your body. If, after 2/3 months, you are not aware of any changes, then consider a different regime; not before then.

[notrenoir]

Pansy-Mae and Chrissie,
Thank you for your inputs. I guess I bought into the UB advertising of not needing a maintenance dose. I am looking forward to getting the sense of growth. I have been using an electro breast stimulator which does feel like it is tightening up the underlying muscles. I just got a Noogleberry today and hope it might help. I am sure the most the most important thing I can do is have patience.

Thanks for your thoughts.
Notrenoir

[chrishoney]

The idea behind BO is NOT that it has female hormones (though it certainly does), but that it supposedly reprograms your system to produce female hormones instead of predominantly male hormones.predominately.

Theoretically you are "reprogramming" your pituitary to direct your endocrine system to produce female hormones. The theories further propose that after about 6 months this change in your endocrine system is permanent, hence the claim that you won't need a long term maintenance dose. I believe the general recommendation is also that it takes something like 2 to 3 months before noticeable changes start to become apparent and the typical first signs of that are changes in the areola and nipples.

Hope this helps.

[notrenoir]

Chrishoney,
Your response was pretty much in line with my thinking. I have the impression that BO has more effects than just breast development. I am hopind it will move my beer gut into my top and bottom. I'm not sure why I have a beer gut, I haven't had a drink in 20 years.

Thanks for your response.

Notrenoir

[chrishoney]

Yes, supposedly BO has other feminizing effects as well such as a more feminine body morphology, enlarged nipples and areolas, softer skin, less body hair and the obvious effects on male function which changing to female hormone production would have: loss of male function and sterility. Be careful what you wish for. Many if not all of these effects others have seen by using PM without changing the endocrine system, if that is even possible. I have read in the Glandular NBE section that generic BO has been very effective for some people, and is even cheaper than UltraBreast. Just something to think about.

[chrissie]

Wise words, from Chrishoney. If you decide to grow boobs, it will come with a whole package. I investigated BO and am not convinced of its efficicacy, let alone its ability, to re programe, the pitruatry gland. I went for PM and am so happy with the results! Be sure, that this is what you want, which ever way you go about it.

[crystalelle]

Hi there,

I am not a man but I have been a long user of BB and generic BO. So far what my knowledge tells me is the dosage of BO in a man should be 3-4 times the dosage that works for ladies.

Don't forget that you need to include substance to suppress or block away testosterone, saw palmetto will be the answer for this. You need to have plenty of protein to go with BO as well, because men are generally more muscular than woman, and their body usually need more protein than normal woman does. So plenty of protein will let you build a stronger foundation for breasts growth.

I hope this help!

[notrenoir]

Thank you all for your thoughts and experience. When I first ordered UB about two months ago, I asked if they recommended taking several pills a day like TF/BB and they said not to - just take 3 per day which is 1620 mg of BO. I have stuck with that and I not had the tingles or growth symptons that many forum members report. I have noticed some firmness which could be caused by either the UB, the electromassage, or my imagination. I am aware of the total feminization process mentioned regarding sterility and male functionality. Since I am 62 years old, the sterility is certainly not a problem. Male functionality is not a problem in my case because, due to prior ED, I have had an AMS 700 LGX implant so I can perform at a moments squeeze. Like someone mentioned in one of the threads, I guess I am channelling my inner lesbian. Again, thank you all.

Notrenoir