[Diva chick 32]

Hello,
I was just curious,has anyone else had any bad break outs while using PM even with SP.I do not know what is causing it.I seem to keep it on my forehead.my daily SP is usually around 900-1300mg a day.maybe i need to up that.I used to never get acne before this.right now like my whole forehead is broke out.I also got a few on my cheeks to. would appreciate any advice
Diva Chick 32....

[Pansy-Mae]

I can't give you a straight answer because it isn't a problem I've had - I have the opposite, my skin has gone unpleasantly dry ( not flaking, just dry)
However I think you'll find the answer is too much E, i.e too much PM or an imbalance between E and the P's. I'm sure I've read about that on Isabelle's mega-thread ( Long time Hops...etc) so you might want to go to that and do a search.

[SarahSchilling]

I'm pretty sure Isabelle is going to say to add a dose a FG when these breakouts occur.

Something like 1000mgs for 120 lb person, 1200 for 150 lb person.

I have mild breakouts myself from time to time, so now I take a half dose of FG every other day or so. Seems to help.

You could alternatively add more SP or take less PM, but i know you do not want to cut back on the PM, and given the long term side effects of anti androgens, upping that is probably not very appealing either.

[Diva chick 32]

Thank you both for you advice! I am gonna try the FG.Sarah what are the long term affects of taking an anti-androgen? I didn't know there were any.
Pansy-Mae,im a little jealous of you you never get break outs,and yeah,I do not want to cut back to much on the pm.I have just a bit though.the next few days i am taking 1000mg a day.then slowly ramp back up to 2000mg a day.trials and tribulations of wanting boobies
Diva Chick 32...

[SarahSchilling]

Sterility,Shrinkage, and/or erectile disfunction.

And if you wanted to fully transition, I've read that you may not have enough scrotum skin to make into vaginal lining.

I figure no matter what your thoughts are on changing gender, there are definitely drawbacks from long term use of anti-androgens.

I'm gonna try to drop the SP altogether after I hit 6 months on PM.

[Pansy-Mae]

I found that SP made no difference at all either way. That may be a function of age.

[AnnieBL]

SarahSchilling said:

'Sterility,Shrinkage, and/or erectile disfunction.

And if you wanted to fully transition, I've read that you may not have enough scrotum skin to make into vaginal lining.

I figure no matter what your thoughts are on changing gender, there are definitely drawbacks from long term use of anti-androgens.'

A serious antiandrogen like spironolactone can indeed have serious results. I was precsribed it for resistant hypertension, but after 18 months I have all the results in the first line of the quote, although while I think that my testicles have shrunk and my penis has definitely shrunk considerably, I don't think that either epidydimis has shrunk nor the scrotum. Although never very hairy, I have lost most of my body hair apart from reduced under arm and pubic hair and a minimal amount left on my chest, and my eyebrows are also greatly reduced. My scalp hair was largely gone already but spiro's reported side effect as a hair restorer has not kicked in. While some of these changes are not unwelcome, and I am sure it helped kick start my present NBE effort, I do not intend to transition and would certainly like to regain my male function if irreparable damage is not already done. My current prescription for spiro ran out today and I am not presently intending to renew it.

Since the spiro did help my BPH somewhat and although I am still taking the terazosin (Hytrin) that was actually prescribed for it (with limited effect like most of the established and expensive BPH drugs), I shall restart SP to compensate together with beta-sitosterol, both of which are supposed to inhibit conversion of testosterone to DHT. Neither I think blocks the action of testosterone itself (if I have any significant amount of it left in my body). Since the amount of beta-blocker (also prescribed for hypertension and a noted enemy of male function) that I was taking has already been cut by 75% with the unexpected result of subtantially reducing both my average blood pressure (to the verge of hypotension) and the variations in it, I am hoping I can get off the remaining 25% and maybe regain some functionality, particularly if I can have the Hytrin changed to daily low dose Cialis which was recently approved in the US as a BPH treatment as well as its better known application.

I have not encountered any breakouts with PM or SP but thankfully have never been very prone to that problem.

[Diva chick 32]

Hello everyone!
Thank you all for your responses,me and my wife are now thinking that it wasn't my PM,SP.for the past couple of weeks I had been on a collagen supplement that has 167% DV vitamin C,167% DV of vitamin E.plus 750 MG of collagen.plus the daily values i get from my multi vitamin,I also drink a glass of V-8 splash every morning which also has 100% DV of vitamin C,as well as vitamin E.the breakouts didn't seem to start until i was taking that supplement.so I took it back tonight.got my 20 bucks back.went to Kohls and got a cute new outfit some new girly jeans and a new top it looks really good! anyway,so i am hoping now that I am off the collagen that it will clear up. time will tell.
Diva Chick 32....

[SarahSchilling]

and I am sure it helped kick start my present NBE effort, I do not intend to transition and would certainly like to regain my male function if irreparable damage is not already done. My current prescription for spiro ran out today and I am not presently intending to renew it.

Bryony is a big supporter of Butea Superba to help combat the effects of PM male function wise.

I've also read that Maca helps with that too, but I can't speak from experience on either.

[bryony]

My scalp hair was largely gone already but spiro's reported side effect as a hair restorer has not kicked in.

Though it doesn't work for everyone, I've found that generic minoxidyl has kick-started some growth in previously shiny scalp areas. PM alone doesn't seem to be enough (and I'm guessing anti-androgens also).

I think if the follicles have been damaged and inactive long enough due to DHT, they need more stimulation than simply removing the DHT.

You would probably need to check with your doctor though as I believe that there is some heart interaction with minoxidyl.

B.