01-09-2012, 07:46 AM
Generally I agree with most of what Abi said in post #6, above.
Most folks are looking at around 3 months-ish from the start to get any significant proper growth. Any changes prior to that are most likely to be fat redistributing to the chest area in preparation, and that can begin as early as a week or two from start.
One week on PM in any form is not likely to do anything, but see above re fat!
Also see Abi's comment about internal vs external. She is right, there is scientific work showing that PM needs to be converted from Miroestrol to deoxy-miroestrol inside the body to be most effective and this happens most effectively by ingesting it rather than applying to the skin and hoping!
As for the rpice of PM, I've used Ainterol in the past but for the past 8months I've been using pueraraia.co.uk. Both seem to be effective and I think .co.uk is currently slightly cheaper. The last lot I bought was £37-82, inc P&P, for 300 capsules. I'm currently taking 3 a day so that's roughly 3 months worth and at just over £12 a month that's not bad, IMO.
This question has been asked many times on these boards, so you only have to do a search.However the bigger question is why anyone would bother? Aside from my doubts about the relative effectiveness of external vs internal, I cannot for the life of me see how the economics can possibly be effective. Think about it... somewhere in northern Thailand, somebody is growing and harvesting PM root and sending it to a factory. At that point it is dried and ground up. Presumably they do some sort of assay of active ingredient and then from this point they either put it in a capsule and sell it in the retail pots that we know, OR, they send it to an extraction process and treat it to extract the active ingredients, then they have to disperse the extract in a some sort of carrier cream( at a reasonably standard concentration), which they have to buy in, and pack that into tubes, to sell to us.
Now, unless you are equipped to do the necessary analyses, buying a powder with unknown active ingredient concentration and dispersing it in some sort of body lotion with unknown ability to either extract the actives, or get them through the skin, is a complete and total guess. As I said at the beginning, why bother?
Anything that gets the blood circulating properly has to be a good thing generally, and massaging the boobs to stimulate blood flow there specifically has to be a good thing as well. Regular strenuous body building work-outs are likely to be a bad thing because muscle development stimulates the body to produce testosterone....!
(01-09-2012, 03:28 AM)Holmes12 Wrote: That is interesting, I do seem to have reach a plateau with the nature day formula, although they do advise giving the product 6 months to kick in the real results, maybe I'm being to impatient.
Most folks are looking at around 3 months-ish from the start to get any significant proper growth. Any changes prior to that are most likely to be fat redistributing to the chest area in preparation, and that can begin as early as a week or two from start.
(01-09-2012, 03:28 AM)Holmes12 Wrote: I do feel that this one week on the PM topical application, has had a really good effect, with quick development,
One week on PM in any form is not likely to do anything, but see above re fat!
Also see Abi's comment about internal vs external. She is right, there is scientific work showing that PM needs to be converted from Miroestrol to deoxy-miroestrol inside the body to be most effective and this happens most effectively by ingesting it rather than applying to the skin and hoping!
(01-09-2012, 03:28 AM)Holmes12 Wrote: but PM does not seem cheap, especially compared to the natureday cream. The estrofirm is a 20 mg tube for £8.99 which last only 4 - 5 days, compared to a 114 g tub of cream @ £30, that lasts a good 3 weeks. The cost of PM at present make it less desirable, especially when you need to factor in the delivery charges.I'm not at all sure you are comparing apples with apples here. Its is no good comparing the price of a tube of something, with the price of a pot of something else, unless you are sure that (a) both have the same active ingredient ( b) you are sure that both have the same quantity of that active ingredient,© you are sure that both contain the same proportion of that active ingredient, (d) you are sure that the carrier properties of the cream have the same skin penetration capability.
As for the rpice of PM, I've used Ainterol in the past but for the past 8months I've been using pueraraia.co.uk. Both seem to be effective and I think .co.uk is currently slightly cheaper. The last lot I bought was £37-82, inc P&P, for 300 capsules. I'm currently taking 3 a day so that's roughly 3 months worth and at just over £12 a month that's not bad, IMO.
(01-09-2012, 03:28 AM)Holmes12 Wrote: I wander how one would make their own topical?
This question has been asked many times on these boards, so you only have to do a search.However the bigger question is why anyone would bother? Aside from my doubts about the relative effectiveness of external vs internal, I cannot for the life of me see how the economics can possibly be effective. Think about it... somewhere in northern Thailand, somebody is growing and harvesting PM root and sending it to a factory. At that point it is dried and ground up. Presumably they do some sort of assay of active ingredient and then from this point they either put it in a capsule and sell it in the retail pots that we know, OR, they send it to an extraction process and treat it to extract the active ingredients, then they have to disperse the extract in a some sort of carrier cream( at a reasonably standard concentration), which they have to buy in, and pack that into tubes, to sell to us.
Now, unless you are equipped to do the necessary analyses, buying a powder with unknown active ingredient concentration and dispersing it in some sort of body lotion with unknown ability to either extract the actives, or get them through the skin, is a complete and total guess. As I said at the beginning, why bother?
(01-09-2012, 03:28 AM)Holmes12 Wrote: One last question, something that has been bugging me, is exercise (mainly CV based) good or bad for breast development? I've read conflicting stories about this.
Anything that gets the blood circulating properly has to be a good thing generally, and massaging the boobs to stimulate blood flow there specifically has to be a good thing as well. Regular strenuous body building work-outs are likely to be a bad thing because muscle development stimulates the body to produce testosterone....!
