[AbiDrew85]

AbiDrew, I'm so surprised to see pictures of you finally! Haha You in no way look overweight! Your arms in that first pic are thinner than mine are! > Honestly, yes, you look male, but not too much so. Your shoulders are just as wide as mine, and with plucked eyebrows and long hair (and bangs to hide the hairline), you'd definitely look female (at least as far as the face goes xP). And let me tell you, I've dated guys with less body hair than me, so as long as you shave on a regular basis, that shouldn't get in the way of your looking feminine at all.

Can't wait to see the swimsuit pics!

I KNOW! Just wait until you see my arms now! My arms especially have slimmed quite visibly since then. That watch you see me wearing? That was a men's G-Shock. At the time that picture was taken, I was wearing it notched to about mid-band quite comfortably. I just had to give it away because it slips off even at the tightest it'll go now. I -HAVE- to wear women's watches, men's bands are just waaaaay too wide.

But yeah. No one would EVER have thought I was even the least bit overweight back then, unless I wore tight enough clothing that they could see the way my body rolled into itself, which I NEVER did. In fact I usually wore my shirts at least one size too big and my pants were always loose fit.

I was hiding myself very well.

Actually, my eyebrows are already crazy thin everywhere EXCEPT close to the nose on either side. They're also crazy sparse... Which you can actually notice in the second pic pretty decently if you look closely enough. You'll see a high arch of slightly darker area starting just past the visible part of the brow. That's actually the rest of my brow, it's not just brow bone, but there's a tiny little thin line of super small but dark hairs there. They're finally starting to grow back in a little more decently after I'd burned them off as a kid, which happened after I'd shaved them off already. Between the two traumas, and then various factors of hormones and nutrition, they never recovered properly. Any guesses at why I'd shaved them off? As for the burning... That one was accidental. I stuck my face in a grill that wasn't lighting, and THEN it decided it would light, even though there was no new flame put in. Stupid thing...

Anyways, if you guessed that I'd shaved them off while attempting to shape them myself because I wasn't about to ask for help... DING DING DING! Have a cookie.

My parents never knew why I'd shaved them... I don't know what they THINK I was trying to do, but I refused to tell them.

[TibetanPrincess]

Love the pics Abi!

You are a looker and I can see you easily transformed and fully pass when the time comes. The hotness is not so far away once you get those curves and of course the female hormone levels will make your face even more fem.

I've always worried about the ones who have extreme features, large noses, sharp mouths or no lips, extreme brow bones that stick out. You have none of that. Lucky you. I can see many would be jealous of you.

[AbiDrew85]

Love the pics Abi!

You are a looker and I can see you easily transformed and fully pass when the time comes. The hotness is not so far away once you get those curves and of course the female hormone levels will make your face even more fem.

I've always worried about the ones who have extreme features, large noses, sharp mouths or no lips, extreme brow bones that stick out. You have none of that. Lucky you. I can see many would be jealous of you.

Well, yeah. I don't have it nearly as bad off as some do, it's true. But I still doubt that my face shape can truly appear female without at least a little surgery. Narrow my jaw line a little, and raise my eyebrows a little, at least. I only have a very slight Adam's Apple. Well within scope of what some women develop, so I suppose I don't really NEED a trach shave, but I might still consider one.

I want there to be absolutely no chance that peoples first impression on seeing my face will be that of a male.

[Doll]

Actually, my eyebrows are already crazy thin everywhere EXCEPT close to the nose on either side. They're also crazy sparse... Which you can actually notice in the second pic pretty decently if you look closely enough. You'll see a high arch of slightly darker area starting just past the visible part of the brow. That's actually the rest of my brow, it's not just brow bone, but there's a tiny little thin line of super small but dark hairs there. They're finally starting to grow back in a little more decently after I'd burned them off as a kid, which happened after I'd shaved them off already. Between the two traumas, and then various factors of hormones and nutrition, they never recovered properly. Any guesses at why I'd shaved them off? As for the burning... That one was accidental. I stuck my face in a grill that wasn't lighting, and THEN it decided it would light, even though there was no new flame put in. Stupid thing...

Anyways, if you guessed that I'd shaved them off while attempting to shape them myself because I wasn't about to ask for help... DING DING DING! Have a cookie.

My parents never knew why I'd shaved them... I don't know what they THINK I was trying to do, but I refused to tell them.

Lol It's ok, my friend shaved hers off when she was like 8. It's easy enough to pass as a childhood curiosity xD

I can tell your eyebrows ARE thin, I'm just talking about plucking to shape them thinner at the front...and then using makeup to fill in and shape the rest. xD I have a white patch of hairs in my one eyebrow because the woman pierced it wrong, and I always have to fill that in with makeup. >.< It will always be noticeable up close, but at least with makeup and the right shape it will still look very feminine.

There are a LOT of girls with manly faces who get by as gorgeous women because of makeup and their long hair (even I have a man face lol), so don't think you'll NEED surgery. Also, I think you're overthinking the adam's apple. a LOT of women look like they have one, and unless you have a GIANT one, no one would ever think that's what it is.

Plus, keep in mind that over time, your face may develop a more feminine shape to it with NBE. If not, you still won't need any more than makeup. My tranny friend still has a very masculine face, and she can get her makeup to make her look perfectly female, even though she doesn't really try or know completely what she's doing. xD I'm telling ya, long, beautiful hair and a little bit of makeup really is all you need to easily pass in public.

[AbiDrew85]

I can tell your eyebrows ARE thin, I'm just talking about plucking to shape them thinner at the front...and then using makeup to fill in and shape the rest.

I know I -can- do that. But I'm trying to grow my natural brows back in instead. They are slowly recovering right now, but considering how bad they seem to be at recovering, I really don't want to mess with them at all until they've pretty much recovered fully.

I realize this is going to make me look really weird for quite a while, but... IMO, drawn on brows are far worse.

[Doll]

Lol They are, but sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. Lol Have you tried any hair growing oils or anything to help stimulate growth? I heard Jojoba oil may help, that's what my friend uses to grow hers in (even though hers grow wrong because of her thyroid problems and there really isn't much she can do about that lol).

[AbiDrew85]

Lol They are, but sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. Lol Have you tried any hair growing oils or anything to help stimulate growth? I heard Jojoba oil may help, that's what my friend uses to grow hers in (even though hers grow wrong because of her thyroid problems and there really isn't much she can do about that lol).

Yeah. I've been using a regrowth serum that contains keratin growth factors as well as various extracts and things that are supposed to stimulate follicle recovery and hair growth. I haven't been following directions very well though... I use it when I remember it, and that's not twice a day every day like I'm supposed to...

Also. I think you misread me Re the Adam's Apple. I said I -don't- have that obvious of one. I mean. I plainly have a slight protrusion there, but it's well within the norms of what many women have there.

In many ways I am lucky... It could be far worse... But I -realllllllly- want for there to be absolutely no chance AT ALL of my face declaring me male, eventually.

[NotSoBusty]

AbiDrew,

What eyebrow growth serum are you using? I am also trying to grow my eyebrows in a little bit. They are not necessarily thin, but I did over-pluck them at some point. They grew back, except for one stubborn spot in the MIDDLE of my brow. I recently bought an eyebrow enhance/growth serum from Ulta by Anastasia, and I have only been using it a few days. I like it, because when I brush it over my brows, it tames them. Too soon to know if it works yet, but incase it doesn't, I am very curious to see what you are using and what you think of its effectiveness.

BTW- you are totally smokin' already as a male, so I can only imagine how stunning you will be throughout your feminization. Best of luck to you, gorg.

[Doll]

Also. I think you misread me Re the Adam's Apple. I said I -don't- have that obvious of one. I mean. I plainly have a slight protrusion there, but it's well within the norms of what many women have there.

In many ways I am lucky... It could be far worse... But I -realllllllly- want for there to be absolutely no chance AT ALL of my face declaring me male, eventually.

I...did read that correctly...but when you said it you seemed like you were still a little self-conscious about it even though it isn't masculine...unless...that's the part I misread...xD

I always put my beauty products right above my herbs so I do everything twice a day and don't forget! It's actually the only way I can remember to do things on a regular basis lol

[AbiDrew85]

AbiDrew,

What eyebrow growth serum are you using? I am also trying to grow my eyebrows in a little bit. They are not necessarily thin, but I did over-pluck them at some point. They grew back, except for one stubborn spot in the MIDDLE of my brow. I recently bought an eyebrow enhance/growth serum from Ulta by Anastasia, and I have only been using it a few days. I like it, because when I brush it over my brows, it tames them. Too soon to know if it works yet, but incase it doesn't, I am very curious to see what you are using and what you think of its effectiveness.

BTW- you are totally smokin' already as a male, so I can only imagine how stunning you will be throughout your feminization. Best of luck to you, gorg.

http://www.amazon.com/Skin-Actives-Brow-...roduct_top

It does seem to be working. It'd probably work better if I used it like I'm supposed to be...

People keep saying that... but I honestly can't see it... I can see maybe somewhat cute... but "totally smokin'?" Definitely not. I make a girlish looking guy and a mannish looking girl. Neither of those are what I'd consider hot. Girlish looking guy could be cute... But I'm not a guy. So... What I'm stuck as is a mannish looking girl. Which is ugly.

I...did read that correctly...but when you said it you seemed like you were still a little self-conscious about it even though it isn't masculine...unless...that's the part I misread...xD

I always put my beauty products right above my herbs so I do everything twice a day and don't forget! It's actually the only way I can remember to do things on a regular basis lol

Well. Yeah... I honestly hate anything remotely masculine about my body at all. I notice every little niggling detail that says I'm male and hate it. No, it's not obscenely masculine and easily passable, but at the same time... It's hardly the epitome of feminine beauty either. I realize I'll never be THAT... but... I'm not the only girl in the world that wishes so.

As for putting beauty products with my herbs... Well... They're close... for the most part. Not quite together though... And it'd be rather difficult to truly keep everything together, because some of the beauty products kinda have to be used in the bathroom, which is a shared space between 4 people. If you can call shaving and hair removal "beauty". To my mind anything related to the fact that I'm a hairy ape is ugly. And even removing the hair still doesn't give me smooth flawless skin. I have the ginormous pores of a hairy ape even when I get waxed. And with shaving or depilatories, I have the little hair ends still left just under the skin. And it doesn't take long before that returns to being full out nasty stubble. It takes a fair bit longer for it to really get long.... but... the damage is already pretty major at the stubble point.