[Gregrk]

where do we start... he is convinced he wants them, while retaining his boy bits (i believe they will be somewhat affected...?)

we thought of oestrogen pills of course.... then heard of estroven....some herbal form....

even heard of men growing boobs by getting womens thrush cream on themselves during sex!!!

on this forum, there is concentration on various herbs....

why?

is it about availability?

massage? creams???

where do we start? if there is a thread already with all this, could some kind soul point me to it?

many thanks...we are excited to make a start....

[mrelectricc]

hello Gregrk i am new here and to the whole NBE experience myself.... but was taking extra strength estroven that i bought off of amazon for 3 months.... in my personal opinion i dont feel like it does anything.. after researching other peoples experiences i tried a different cocktail of herbs.... so far what seems to be working for me is PM and saw palmetto... changes are slow but after changing to PM and SP ive notticed small differences rather quickly..... ive always had rather small flat nipples... and other day i noticed that they are getting fatter and pointer... and my squishy man fat boobs are slowly becoming more solid and bouncy i guess you can say.... ive always had high testosterone lvls so i am taking more than most people... but have noticed slight changes slowly.... hope that helps

[Gregrk]

thanks for that.... anything is helpful...
so the estroven doesn't work...hmmmm...
where do i get these other herbs that people on here mention... and the creams... and the instructions...?

[Wishful]

Welcome to the forum, Gregrk. Here you will find an immense amount of information on breast enhancement. First thing I want to cover is just how committed he is and is it feasible for him to have breasts. A good test to try is to get a bra in the size that fits him comfortably and what he wants and expects to have in breasts. Fill it with a good set of silicone inserts. Then wear it every day ALL DAY. To work, to the gym, (maybe a sports bra, too?) while visiting friends and family, and so on. NO CHEATING. if there is a situation where he can't wear the bra then breasts are out. You can't take them off once you grow them unless you have surgery. Once you determin that he can wear the bra , then...

What you and your friend will want to do is go through the old posts and read, read, read. You can start that immediately. Most if not all of your questions can be answered there. But for a quick rundown of what to expect, here is a quick overview.
Yes, he can grow breasts. But what program will do that for him is not so easy to answer. Everyone is different and responds to NBE in their own way. He will have to try the various methods till he finds one that works for him. He may be lucky and hit it on the first try. I personally have had good results on PM and BO, but thats me. Try what sounds good to him and see what results. Remember, this takes time. Don't expect something to produce big breasts overnight. It could take 6 months to a year or more to get a good result so be patient. Once you decide on a program, post it here and let the experienced people have a look at it and see if they have any recommendations. We want him to succeed and will help him to do so. You are among friends here and we are willing to help. Best of luck to you and him
Now, feminization will affect the boy bits. Shrinkage can and probably will occur. To what extent is hard to say. But the libido will be affected also. It will take longer to get hard and to get off, more like a female response than a male.
I would stay away from the products you mentioned. Yes, they have estrogen but low dosage. They really don't have what he needs.

Well, thats a quick tour so to speak. I wish him the best of luck and let us know if he decides to pursue this. Remember, we are here to help.

[interbingung]

If breast is the only thing he wants then breast implant might be better choice. Drugs/Herbs can grow breast but its difficult to predict and will also have other effect, something that he might not want. Breast implant can be adjusted to your specific needs and can be removed relatively easy in case he does not want it anymore.

[JTX]

"Removed relatively easy".?!?!??

Since when is surgery and major sedation to put implants in and remove them RELATIVELY EASY????? The adjectives: expensive, painful, likely complications, painful rehab and temporary are what come to mind when referring to breast augmentation surgery. Especially, when you are talking about a man who probably has no extra skin on his chest to place the implants under anyway. And, this will make the procedure to have an even worse chance for success.

Your choice of words leaves much to be desired...

JTX

[interbingung]

Yes I mean that its not a technically difficult procedure, most plastic surgeon worth his/her salt will be able to do it.

I had plastic surgery myself, recovery is not comfortable but its not a big deal.

[BonitaDDs]

"Removed relatively easy".?!?!??

Since when is surgery and major sedation to put implants in and remove them RELATIVELY EASY????? The adjectives: expensive, painful, likely complications, painful rehab and temporary are what come to mind when referring to breast augmentation surgery. Especially, when you are talking about a man who probably has no extra skin on his chest to place the implants under anyway. And, this will make the procedure to have an even worse chance for success.

Your choice of words leaves much to be desired...

JTX

Yh and there will also be posibility of stretch skin and yet more surgery needed to correct it I really hate the willynilly attitudes towards surgery these days I mean who knows he could die anytime he goes under small chance yes but unecessary risk yes.
If he wants to be able to remove easy breast forms or pumping could be an option if done without herbs people do this for sexual reasons so if only done every now and again will go back down if he's more serious ainterol pueraria mirifica is used by a lot of men.

[Tiffani Toy]

Welcome to the site Greg

Availability being one question:
It is very easily the possibility of availability in my opinion, most of these herbs that work phenomenally well can be purchased at just about any and every vitamin store, i.e. GNC, WALGREENS, VITAMIN SHOPPE, CVS, SCHNUCKS even. They are very affordable the most i believe is Pueraria Mirifica which is by far the most popular one and all the rage right now. You can get it at various places (only online for this particular herb) most popular i believe is AinterolHerbs.com or amazon AinterolHerbs and get the same result. Its the most powerful estrogenic herb on the market and is strong stuff. Me personally would recommend building up the strength of any dose over 1000 mg a day by taking 500mg (1 capsule a day) for a week or two then progressing if he desires to do so.
Most popular herbs I believe and these are all found at most if not all stores are

Red Clover (what i understand is probably the strongest estrogenic herb behind PM, i take it 3x a day and within a week my skin was incredibly softer and even noticed some fat added on to my butt )

Fenugreek (another estrogenic herb, often used to build milk ducts in a womans breasts as well as help with milk in the breast during pregnancy)

Saw Palmetto (used for prostate health but i take about 6 a day and at a higher dose it acts as a testosterone blocker helping aide in the breast development by allowing estrogen levels to rise)

I have heard others using Black Cohosh which is for womens menopause to help with estrogen levels and balance of it in women, honestly in my opinion its very dangerous to your liver and very well not worth the effects if its going to be putting your liver or kidneys into danger zones.

There are many others but i believe the first three along with Pueraria Mirifica are the best to use. Many use only PM (pueraria mirifica) and see absolutely amazing results, you can go to the ainterolherbs forum to see others who have spoken on their progress if you choose to do so outside this forum heres a direct link
http://www.ainterolherbs.com/forums/Foru...Encouraged

Also a product in which I am very fond of that is also inexpensive while many on here have been skeptical and some very rude all because i mention it often (pm is not the only thing that works lol) is Natureday.com its a wonderful product, i use their soap just cause its slower (lather it on chest set for a few min and wash off in shower or towel or whatever you choose) i have used their cream and drops as well but it honestly worked too fast and me being 26 with a gf who has no clue i dont want to rush the process for personal reasons. Their cream i believe is 35 after shipping/taxes and soap 21.00

As to what others say especially about implants, implants on a man are very painful i hear because most don't accumulate breast growth much at all before doing so and can only go to a specific CC implant also yes, stretch marks and other ugly marks like scars also personally, breast implants are hideous, they dont move, they dont jiggle, they are just basically pitcher mounds on a chest lol who wants that, if you're going to get breasts definitely take the time to go the natural route. Implants can go from 5-10 thousand dollars, im sure no one on this site has spent anywhere near even 2000 on their herbal supplies over the year(s).

One thing to certainly remember is, while these herbs are 100% natural, and not dangerous by any means, most are capsules which go through the stomach, liver and kidneys. Altering your hormones can cause a great deal of harm to the body if you push the limits over a period of time, do not take more then recommended without building up a tolerance for it to your system. Cause while it is all natural, too much of a good thing can be bad.
Also hormones have a way to rewire the brain at times (making one more emotional, sensitive, even in my case at one point making me depressed cause i was so convinced i was transgendered that it nearly ended my relationship) this stuff will grow him breasts in due time, but in due time be sure its what you want, cause while fat redistribution will redistribute back to a man's areas as well as skin softening diminishing and mental changes may go back to normal after stoppage, breast growth is permanent, and should be thought about wisely and not emotionally (he should not want it because he thinks it will be sexy/hot, he should think about summers, pools, lakes, etc, how will people react and how will that make him feel with people staring or the paranoia of others staring.

Not to be lengthy just assuring you herbs do work, do your research on the site many intelligent people on here who i honestly would probably trust more than a doctor when it comes to this stuff, dont be shy, ask questions, do your homework have him do it as well, and if its what he wants in the end, then enjoy the journey, support him, encourage, and cant wait to see updates

[flamesabers]

Hello Gregrk.

I think the other members have already posted some excellent advice on this matter. If he hasn't already, I think he should really consider why he wants his own breasts. Before buying anything or spending a lot of time on research, I think it's crucial he understands the time commitment and the irreversible physical changes that will come about from growing breasts. If this is something he really wants to do, I think he'll be successful and will enjoy the journey and the outcome. If he just wants breasts to spice up his sex life or something to that effect, he may find the price tag for growing breasts is too high for him.