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#1

Hi. This is my first post.

I am taking FG, SP and RC daily and have been for about a month. My intention is to go up to PM in a couple of month to help things along.

I am a long time closeted transgender male who has longed to transition since I was a child. I am married with children and commitments amd need to go slow but accept that now is the time in my life. .
My question really is how far along the transition route is it possible to go through herbs alone before I have to make the appointment with the GP, a thing I have been dreading.

I am looking for more than a but of chest growth, is it possible to obtain feminine features as hormones would do without going down the hormine route.

In advance Thanks for reading and responding.

Sam.
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#2

Hello samcollins.

Welcome to the board. Smile

I have no plans or desire to transition, but I know there are some members on this board who are likely to be able to relate to your situation. Besides breast growth, pm has been effective for redistributing body fat in a more feminine pattern for me. Other members have reported having slower/finer growth of body hair while being on pm. For me though laser hair removal has been a very effective method for reducing the growth of my facial hair. In March I'm planning on getting laser hair removal for my chest.
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#3

(15-01-2013, 07:20 PM)samcollins Wrote:  Hi. This is my first post.

I am taking FG, SP and RC daily and have been for about a month. My intention is to go up to PM in a couple of month to help things along.

I am a long time closeted transgender male who has longed to transition since I was a child. I am married with children and commitments amd need to go slow but accept that now is the time in my life. .
My question really is how far along the transition route is it possible to go through herbs alone before I have to make the appointment with the GP, a thing I have been dreading.

I am looking for more than a but of chest growth, is it possible to obtain feminine features as hormones would do without going down the hormine route.

In advance Thanks for reading and responding.

Sam.

Whew.... does your wife know? Does she accept it? Kids, how old? What do/will they think?

I'll answer your specific questions below, but first, some caveats.

Unless you have got the complete backing of your wife and kids, you risk losing everything you hold dear.

That said, all is not lost... I am/was sort of in the same boat. I'm 60, kids are 30 and 25. Wife is understanding but could not tolerate the idea of me trying to present as female (and I don't blame her).

Are your drivers feeling of depression, existential angst, feelings of dread as you near the end of your life? If you are lucky, then you may find, as I did, that taking PM not only causes breast growth but also removes the pressing need to want to dress/present as female.

Once I started taking Pueraria Mirifica I lost all of the gender dysphoric symptoms that were making my life a misery. If you are the same, you can almost live a normal life as a male and not feel more than a wistful yearning that life did not turn out differently. I say "almost" because the growth of breasts mean no more family holidays with bare tops in a swimming pool (though I believe swim tops are available for beach wear).

The most important thing is to talk to your wife, if you haven't already, to see what level she is willing to tolerate.

Mine was very unhappy at the thought of my growing breasts, but she agreed to it as it quite clearly fixed all of my mental problems, and I became a happier, more balanced personality.

I would recommend that you try the same approach.

This isn't meant to be a sermon, but will probably sound like one...
Whenever I hear that a married man with kids (like me) is contemplating transition, I try to encourage them to think of what life would be like if the boot was on the other foot: imagine if your wife wanted to start taking testosterone, have her breasts removed, voice breaking, beard, losing hair develop shoulders, strong biceps, maybe get a barbed wire tattoo, etc. How would you feel? Would you be content to have an effective homosexual relationship with her? Because that is what a transitioning husband is expecting of his wife.

To answer your question, yes, PM will feminise you in a similar way to real estrogen, although it does not agree with some people.

I have been taking PM only since Sep 2011, so that is 16 months. I now fit a 36A bra, and given that female breast growing takes about 3 years, I may well turn out to be a B cup, possibly a C, who knows?

My weight oscillates by about 3lb / month. As a result, my upper abdomen has gradually been losing fat on the downswing, and the area above my hip bones and my buttocks have been gaining fat on the upswing. Right now my hips would look feminine if there wasn't a "dimple" caused by my smaller sized hip bones. I imagine more fat will get deposited there over time.

Libido is under control. No more compulsive masturbation, or desire to watch pornography, or to dress in female undies. Nocturnal erections do not happen, nor daytime spontaneous onces. They are possible, but only when wanted.

The only thing that would get me to a gender clinic would be the sudden disappearance from the market of PM. At 60, I feel far too old to go through the shennanigans required to successfully masquerade as a female, which would most definitely include Facial surgery (if I could afford it - I can't).

But the great thing is that I don't need to. The great majority of my GID symptoms are now under control and I can get on with other things.

I realise your situation may well be different, but that's how I see it.

Good luck,

Bryony

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#4

I was much in your position about 8 months ago, and now I'm transitioning. I was on PM+SP for about 6 months before I got my letter from my psych and then shortly after got onto Spiro from the endo.

I saw my GP first before even starting PM+SP and mentioned I was transgender, so it wasn't much surprise when I wanted a referral for the psych and then the endo. You don't need to worry about doctors, they are professionals, there are some aholes and I've changed GP twice since then and found a great female doctor that is huge support.

PM can get you a long way in terms of breasts and slight fat redistribution, but you won't get all the feminizing features of proper HRT (most importantly for me, significant facial fat redistribution, that goes a huge way towards passing). And the PM route is much slower. I'm already noticing significant breast growh on HRT in 2 months! A long with some finer hairs and change in smell.

But it's a great way to start, see how you feel after 6 months, give yourself time. You will need a lot more time to come out to yourself and then others than you realise, it's a tough process. If you feel after that or longer that you need go all the way then proceed from there. Some people are perfectly happy on PM alone and find it helps them psychologically and they get to feminize.

Sounds like you are interested in transition however, the usual advice I give is:
Be honest with yourself.
Take your time.
Get some professional therapy.

And good luck!
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#5

(16-01-2013, 01:21 PM)aleah Wrote:  I was much in your position about 8 months ago, and now I'm transitioning.

How did your wife take it? and your kids?

B.

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#6

(16-01-2013, 03:15 PM)bryony Wrote:  
(16-01-2013, 01:21 PM)aleah Wrote:  I was much in your position about 8 months ago, and now I'm transitioning.

How did your wife take it? and your kids?

B.

I forget to include my personal story in every one of these posts, I was seeking to answer the question regarding results, not motive Blush

I'm 24, I'm not married and have no kids, like one real friend and never been close to family. I have very little to lose. I'm also attracted to men, and have a supportive boyfriend now, so it's not really the same situation as the OP, sorry.

I did come out to my father this weekend, he took it much better than I expected. Wants to go to therapy with me so he can be convinced this is the right choice, so that's positive.

It's much harder if you are married with kids, the risk of losing them is about 50/50 usually and should be taken into SERIOUS consideration.
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(16-01-2013, 10:25 PM)aleah Wrote:  
(16-01-2013, 03:15 PM)bryony Wrote:  
(16-01-2013, 01:21 PM)aleah Wrote:  I was much in your position about 8 months ago, and now I'm transitioning.

How did your wife take it? and your kids?

B.



I forget to include my personal story in every one of these posts, I was seeking to answer the question regarding results, not motive Blush

I'm 24, I'm not married and have no kids, like one real friend and never been close to family. I have very little to lose. I'm also attracted to men, and have a supportive boyfriend now, so it's not really the same situation as the OP, sorry.

I did come out to my father this weekend, he took it much better than I expected. Wants to go to therapy with me so he can be convinced this is the right choice, so that's positive.

It's much harder if you are married with kids, the risk of losing them is about 50/50 usually and should be taken into SERIOUS consideration.

Ah. Glad that's cleared up! Smile Actually you are what I would term an ideal candidate. People like me, and, I would suggest, Sam, not so much.

If I'd known what I was before I met my lovely wife and had my lovely kids, things would no doubt have turned out differently - but I wouldn't turn back the clock now.

I'm really pleased for you that your dad took it so well.

Good luck!

B.
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#8

Thank yiu all for the kund and supportive comments
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#9

I am in the same position, late 30s, wife, and 1 child and one on the way. I think I am ready to come to terms with my desire to transition. I just started taking sp to block T but don't want to start the PM until after my child is born. And I work in a gym. The locker room could get weird.

Taking it slow but I have a 2 year plan. Hope to really start growing boobs this fall.
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(30-01-2013, 11:18 PM)Golus1 Wrote:  I am in the same position, late 30s, wife, and 1 child and one on the way. I think I am ready to come to terms with my desire to transition. I just started taking sp to block T but don't want to start the PM until after my child is born. And I work in a gym. The locker room could get weird.

Taking it slow but I have a 2 year plan. Hope to really start growing boobs this fall.

I take it that your wife is ok with this? It's astonishing how times have changed!

B.
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