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#21

As I mentioned in another thread, I went to the doctor's today. During the visit she asked me to lift up my shirt so she could listen to my heartbeat. Near the end of the visit she said she noticed my growth of breast tissue and asked me whether I was bothered or concerned about it. I of course said, 'no, I'm not bothered at all.' Big Grin
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#22

(26-02-2013, 11:35 PM)flamesabers Wrote:  As I mentioned in another thread, I went to the doctor's today. During the visit she asked me to lift up my shirt so she could listen to my heartbeat. Near the end of the visit she said she noticed my growth of breast tissue and asked me whether I was bothered or concerned about it. I of course said, 'no, I'm not bothered at all.' Big Grin

Did she hear your heart leaping for joy?

So... I'm crazy curious. Have your areolas always been as big as in your last set of pics? Mine are so tiny if they doubled in size they'd still look male.
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#23

(27-02-2013, 02:11 AM)doodlebug2055 Wrote:  Did she hear your heart leaping for joy?

I don't think so considering she wasn't listening to my heart when she asked me about my breast growth.

(27-02-2013, 02:11 AM)doodlebug2055 Wrote:  So... I'm crazy curious. Have your areolas always been as big as in your last set of pics? Mine are so tiny if they doubled in size they'd still look male.

No, I think they got bigger after I spent a few months on pm. If you look at my earliest pictures on pm I'm sure you'll see a difference. Before starting NBE, my areolas looked very male.
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#24

(26-02-2013, 11:35 PM)flamesabers Wrote:  As I mentioned in another thread, I went to the doctor's today. During the visit she asked me to lift up my shirt so she could listen to my heartbeat. Near the end of the visit she said she noticed my growth of breast tissue and asked me whether I was bothered or concerned about it. I of course said, 'no, I'm not bothered at all.' Big Grin

Was that the extent of the conversation? No enquiry as to what caused it etc? I'll be going for a health check in a couple of weeks which is causing me a bit of concern... Sad

B.
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#25

(27-02-2013, 12:04 PM)bryony Wrote:  
(26-02-2013, 11:35 PM)flamesabers Wrote:  As I mentioned in another thread, I went to the doctor's today. During the visit she asked me to lift up my shirt so she could listen to my heartbeat. Near the end of the visit she said she noticed my growth of breast tissue and asked me whether I was bothered or concerned about it. I of course said, 'no, I'm not bothered at all.' Big Grin

Was that the extent of the conversation? No enquiry as to what caused it etc? I'll be going for a health check in a couple of weeks which is causing me a bit of concern... Sad

B.


No, that wasn't the extent of the conversation. She asked when it first developed and whether I have or had any health conditions that may have caused it. She did recommend further evaluation if it progresses along with seeing a endocrinologist. I think something to keep in mind is my visit was a limited evaluation rather than a health check. I think if I said I was experiencing psychological distress due to the breast growth or if I was concerned about my health, she would've taken further action. She did document in my medical files that I have bilateral gynecomastia, so I'm sure this is something that is going to be brought up again during my next visit.

Are you concerned about talking about your breast growth or that the doctor may not conduct an extensive investigation as to why you have breast growth? When she asked me to lift up my shirt so she could listen to my heart I didn't hesitate nor did my breast growth suddenly became the focus of my appointment.
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#26

(27-02-2013, 12:53 PM)flamesabers Wrote:  Are you concerned about talking about your breast growth or that the doctor may not conduct an extensive investigation as to why you have breast growth?

Bit more complicated..

a) I'm not sure whether the health check will involve one of the doctors at the practice, and if so, whether it will be male or female.

b) whether it will just be one of the practice nurses

c) whether it will involve exposing my chest

d) if so, what to do if my gynocomastia is remarked upon. I take it you didn't "come clean" and say that you were taking a phytoestrogen Big Grin

What will you do if she wants to do further evaluation? At some point I suppose I will have to have "the talk" and explain what I've been up to and why, but I don't relish the prospect.

I'm pretty sure my doctor won't like the self-med aspect, and will want me to see a "specialist" to deal with my underlying issues. I don't want to get steamrollered into pharm hormones or anti-androgens (which I wouldn't) but equally I don't want to get labelled as someone who indulges in risky behaviour.

Lastly I don't want to lose the opportunity for a health check, being 60 and reliant on the UK NHS.

Oh well...

B.

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#27

Bryony, keep us posted please, I'm in almost exactly the same situation, with the same concernsHuh
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#28

(27-02-2013, 05:02 PM)bryony Wrote:  Bit more complicated..

a) I'm not sure whether the health check will involve one of the doctors at the practice, and if so, whether it will be male or female.

b) whether it will just be one of the practice nurses

Do you have a preference one way or the other for a male or female doctor/nurse?

(27-02-2013, 05:02 PM)bryony Wrote:  c) whether it will involve exposing my chest

When it comes to listening to my heart, some doctors and nurses have me lift my shirt while others don't. I guess there's no standard protocol for this? Huh

(27-02-2013, 05:02 PM)bryony Wrote:  d) if so, what to do if my gynocomastia is remarked upon. I take it you didn't "come clean" and say that you were taking a phytoestrogen Big Grin

No, I didn't "confess." The way I see it, she was inquiring about my health and not interrogating me for why I'm growing breasts.

(27-02-2013, 05:02 PM)bryony Wrote:  What will you do if she wants to do further evaluation? At some point I suppose I will have to have "the talk" and explain what I've been up to and why, but I don't relish the prospect.

She didn't say anything about scheduling a followup appointment so it doesn't seem like there's any urgency to closely monitor my growth. I'm sure when I see her for a future visit sometime she may checkup on my growth and possibly refer me to a endocrinologist. If everything checks out normal, I'm sure she'll mention treatment options if I want them, but I'll politely decline.

(27-02-2013, 05:42 PM)Pansy-Mae Wrote:  Bryony, keep us posted please, I'm in almost exactly the same situation, with the same concernsHuh

Out of curiosity, is there a major difference with how the UK and US healthcare treats conditions like gynecomastia when they are benign? I don't get why the doctor would make you see a specialist just for refusing treatment. Excluding individuals like us who want to grow breasts, I think there's plenty of reasons to refuse treatment: complications from surgery, side-effects from medication, etc.
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#29

Unfortunately, doctor visits, like discussions with wives and family, etc., are one of those things we tend not to really take seriously when we embark on NBE. So much easier to pigeonhole that until it rears its head.

There are so many variables: doctors here hardly ever ask anyone to bare your chest anymore for the stethoscope. it's just as effective through a t-shirt, or even a sweatshirt. It will be mostly unknown to us as individuals just what the local practices' standard list of things are that they must check for at each visit. And that itself may depend on time allotted per patient, (and let's face it, the amount of money to be claimed per visit), and the reason for your visit.

A lot of it can depend on your, and your doctors', attitude. And your doctors' attitude will depend to a large degree on your attitude. When her cursory exam revealed to her that something was not quite normal in the chest department, my response was not only a lack of real concern on my behalf, but I also went into a "humorous mode". A lighthearted comment such as "yeah, if things get any bigger, I'll have to get my wife to take me bra shopping", or "the next time my wife needs a mammogram, we'll get one together", can be disarming, and put the doctors mind at ease. I basically gave her the impression that having breasts was not high on my list of medical concerns. You, Bryony, have another thing working in your favor like I do, that being our age, at which time these sorts of things are kind of to be expected. Unless you're a marathoner.

I, personally, prefer to be seen by a female. it just seems to be easier to discuss all sorts of things with her. Kindred spirits? She seems more open to discuss things, and never short on conversation to explain things. Both my wife and I have a history with her, and make all our appts. with her only. That can be another factor in ones' favor. And, when I requested blood tests, it wasn't to check on "gyno", it was because I was feeling tired. It was true, and her acceptance of that fact, along with my cavalier attitude towards my "breast condition", took that topic off the table.

At my next visit, for whatever cause it may be, I am going to "seize the initiative", and bring up the subject of a mammogram. My breasts have increased to the point where they are going to be an inescapeable subject of discussion, and their shaping alone will more or less rule out any chance of them being a result of "gyno". I try to be a realist, and the fact that I have a pair of 22 centimeter diameter hemispheres leading me around is going to be hard for me to dismiss. And, though I doubt it will happen, should she perform a "digital" exam, well, "the jig is up". By admitting I know they're not "normal", while still expressing only a mild level of real concern, I believe I can steer the discussion in the direction I wish it to go. However, knowing that humans, and doctors in particular, can be unpredictable, I also have prepared a "theory" to present to her, should she not follow my 'lead". I will be honest with her, above all, but try to give her the impression that they are not much more than an "interesting curiousity" that I am not unduly concerned about.

We all have to be "grown-ups" here, and expect and accept the facts that there may, and likely will be, consequences that go along with growing breasts. If you grow them, people WILL see them. I know of no "exclusion rule" that states that doctors are to be blind to things that regular people see. Quite the opposite, doctors are expected to be more observant than ordinary folk. We "grow breasts at our own peril", so to speak, and any less than full realization of what goes along with that, is willful denial.

Bryony, FWIW, there are many reasons that people take herbs. If you look at the expounded benefits claimed for PM, you should be able to develope a "reason" that you took it, should your doctors' enquiry even get that far. I'm pretty sure you'll be OK. If you have any questions, while I'm no expert, feel free to ask. Patti
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#30

(27-02-2013, 05:02 PM)bryony Wrote:  I'm pretty sure my doctor won't like the self-med aspect, and will want me to see a "specialist" to deal with my underlying issues. I don't want to get steamrollered into pharm hormones or anti-androgens (which I wouldn't).

Bryony, no one will force you on to HRT. The worst that will happen is that you will be referred to the community mental health team who can only ASK you if you want to be referred to a GIC. No one can make you go.

Only a GIC can prescribe hormones or anti-androgens and even when they do so, you can hear the squeals of your practice manager when he/she finds out that decapeptyl or goserelin is £200 a shot. Estradiol, OTOH is way, way cheaper than PM, about 1/3 the cost.


(27-02-2013, 05:02 PM)bryony Wrote:  but equally I don't want to get labelled as someone who indulges in risky behaviour.

But you ARE indulging in risky behaviour. There are no clinical studies that show PM is harmless although there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that it is harmless. The big danger with HRT is blood clots. What evidence is there that PM does not produce clots or has some other side effect that does not show up for some years?

How can anyone trust the manufacturing process out in Thailand? How does anyone know that there is PM in those capsules? They could just be grinding up Progynova and mixing it with rice powder for all we know. That would produce feminising effects....


(27-02-2013, 05:02 PM)bryony Wrote:  Lastly I don't want to lose the opportunity for a health check, being 60 and reliant on the UK NHS.

Your doctor may not like you self medding but they cannot refuse you treatment for any health conditions, not even self inflicted ones.

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