[babe77]

Hi I'm a 58 year old male, I'm heavy set always had almost a A on the right side basicly nothing on the left. left side isn't shaped very well but it's big enough I don't want to do anthing there till right side goes out a bit.I've been trying to do it slowly and not do anything too crazy or harmfull. I've been doing herbs [sp-900mm total,3000mm fenugreek total,500mm total black cohosh total a day] and eating fennel and drinking apx. a QT. of soy each week for about 3 months now.I've been doing 6 different kinds of massage [just to right side] 2 or 3 times a day also. I've also made up my own cream using powdered wild yam,fenugreek,fennel,saw paletto, black cohosh and for the 3rd month I added red clover in also. This was mixed in hand lotion with a little olive oil to make it spread easier. It still is kinda thick so I've been putting a thick layer on just right side,covering it with plastic wrap and covering that with large bra while I sleep. My results So far? Well It's no bigger but the shape has changed to a more pointed shape and if you look at it you can see a slight cleavage line under it that wasn't there before. It's much more sensitive on the right side now and has much softer tissue than the bigger side, the nipple points to the side now and the round part under the nipple is puffed out rounder. I've seen a lot of effects taking place the first few months but It seems to have slowed down a bit now. What can I expect with just herbs can I expect it to keep getting bigger? I've heard bad things about using pueraria mirifica pills, effecting your man hood, butt size etc. not sure I want to use it if it does that.Could I use the pills just some of the time to minimize some of these side effects but still get bigger? I was wondering about maybe using a PM cream also. What one would you use if you were too use it? Thanks

[Pansy-Mae]

Hi and welcome.

I don't want to sound negative, but my personal belief is that most of what you are taking/doing is a waste of time and money, I'm afraid ( I'm sure that others will disagree with me!).

I would put whatever changes you've seen down to three things (a) some fat deposition in the breast area, caused by the general herb regime, (b) some swelling caused by the FG, ( c) some increased circulation effects due to the massage.

Unfortunately, none of those three are real breast tissue development and will disappear pretty quickly if you stop. Also, of all of it, the only thing that will potentially affect one side rather than both, is the massage.

There is undoubtedly some very mild estrogenic activity in some of the ingredients you list, so if you take enough for long enough, you may one day start to feel the small knots behind the nipples that we call budding, but until you do its unlikely that you are experiencing real breast growth, IMO.

What you take is a very personal decision and I wouldn't in any way try to pressure you, but PM is the most effective if you really want to grow and at your age ( I'm a few years older) time is starting become important! The only way to find out its effects on you as an individual is to try it and see. Not all of the negative effects you are worried about happen to everyone - for example, I'd love the bigger butt you are worried about, but after over 2.5 years on PM it just ain't happening!

The homemade cream is unlikely to do anything other than moisturise the skin, which feels nice but that's about it.

At your age the SP is probably doing nothing, anecdotal evidence suggests that it becomes unnecessary by middle age, if not before.

[Elisaustin]

I am going to have to agree with Pansy Mae.
Most of us not all but most started down the herbal path with herbs from our local heath food stores or Walmart.
FG,SP, Black Cohosh been there done that.
In fact Black Cohosh even scares me a bit.
Everybody is different I guess if its working who am I to judge.
With that said I did get to a budding stage on Soy Isoflavones and Evening Primrose alone before starting on PM.
I also want to mention Tagamet has a side effect of opening up breast receptors and some men have reported some breast growth on it alone.
I have found that low dosage PM and taking Tagamet I am still getting some growth and have no problem in the sex department.
To each his own.
Elisa

[flamesabers]

Hello babe77.

Welcome to the board.

I concur with Pansy-Mae and Elisa. I started NBE using a lot of the same herbs as you: wild yam, fenugreek, red clover, and saw palmetto. I used these herbs for about 4.5 months. I think while I got some fat redistribution to my breasts, I was doubtful I was getting any real breast growth. I decided to switch to pueraria mirifica (pm) and I haven't looked back.

I think Pansy-Mae makes a good point about it being a very personal choice about which herbs you take to pursue NBE. I think while it's possible to grow breasts using other herbs, I think pm has been the mostly widely used and effective herb for genetic males on this board.

As far as additional physical feminization changes, you may get them or you may not. If you really want to get significant breast growth, you probably won't be able to pick and chose how the herbs affect the rest of your body. If these other changes are more than you're willing to deal with, I recommend using breast forms instead of NBE to create the bustline you desire.

The only way to find out its effects on you as an individual is to try it and see. Not all of the negative effects you are worried about happen to everyone - for example, I'd love the bigger butt you are worried about, but after over 2.5 years on PM it just ain't happening!

I find getting fat redistribution to my buttocks to be a mixed blessing. It's nice that panties and women's jeans are better fitting on me now, but I dislike the self-conscious feelings that I'm getting fat.

[babe77]

Well It must be doing something when I first started using the homemade cream it would start burning or tingling a couple of hours after I put it on. I've read that all such creams become less effective over time because the fat can only absorb so much. This seams to have happened, I don't feel it as much any more. a little just after I put it on and a little when I massage it in the morning before I clean it off. The black cohosh scares me too that's why only one 500mg pill once in the morning. I've been debating on stopping it altgether. If I wint with P.M. what brand would you get and where would you buy it? What is tagamet?

[flamesabers]

Ainterol is the brand of pm I buy online. I use the R1 capsules.

This is their website: http://www.ainterolherbs.com/

[MonikaT]

Tagamet is a very old prescription remedy for ulcers, heartburn and such. I think it is available over the counter now as Tagamet HB. The generic name is cimetidine.