[AbiDrew85]

Dayyum. I don't know how it happened, as it makes no sense to me, like, at all... But my shoulders have narrowed.

I'd been feeling strange the last few days and this morning I thought I saw a pronounced change in my bust... So I measured. And it's not my bust that's changed, but my shoulders.

My underbust is still 32, my bust has actually gone down slightly to 37, but my above the bust has seen a remarkable reduction of 3"! From 36 to 33! And that is definitely not from my tissue dropping or anything, cuz when I took another look and covered up my bust entirely to keep them from the equation I could definitely see that my shoulders had become remarkably more feminine.

If this is some sort of benefit of fenugreek I'd've never thought it possible. If there's something else causing this I sure as heck want to know what! I mean. I DOOOOO like the change... But it's kinda freaky too cuz nothing I know of is supposed to be able to do this.

[Misty0732]

If this is some sort of benefit of fenugreek I'd've never thought it possible. If there's something else causing this I sure as heck want to know what! I mean. I DOOOOO like the change... But it's kinda freaky too cuz nothing I know of is supposed to be able to do this.

Hi Abi,

I don't know anything about what FG may or may not do here, but one thing I do know is that a genetic man's upper body is largely dependent on muscle mass (and the shoulders will narrow as that mass decreases). Mine have narrowed by two inches over the past year. It's not anything that I have taken, but rather the fact that I have essentially discontinued weightlifting. In my case the reason for discontinuing is injury, but the end result is the same.

None the less, congratulations!

Misty

[AbiDrew85]

Hi Abi,

I don't know anything about what FG may or may not do here, but one thing I do know is that a genetic man's upper body is largely dependent on muscle mass (and the shoulders will narrow as that mass decreases). Mine have narrowed by two inches over the past year. It's not anything that I have taken, but rather the fact that I have essentially discontinued weightlifting. In my case the reason for discontinuing is injury, but the end result is the same.

None the less, congratulations!

Misty

I never had any muscle mass there anyway. It was skeletally larger than it is now. My bones have changed. And as far as I was aware nothing is supposed to be able to change your bone structure. Once that matures in whatever way it's going to mature, it's set. You can temporarily restructure your floating ribs, but even they will return to normal after a short time without being bound. Shoulders are set though. Or at least, are supposed to be.

EDIT: Well. Actually not "nothing", but nothing short of surgery anyways, and I most certainly haven't been under any knives in a very long time!

[AbiDrew85]

I really wish my right breast would start at least pacing only slightly behind my left. I am now beginning to see a very visibly pronounced difference between them... And I'm feeling a dramatic difference too. There's a lot more mass behind my left nipple compared to my right. I've decided to just do away with splitting the PM between breasts and am just putting all the drops directly on my right nipple and massaging only that breast now. I'm also stealing some PC from being applied to other areas and applying to my right breast at the same time. So I'm massaging a combination of estrogens and progesterone and adaptogens into my right breast.

Let's see if this works...

[AbiDrew85]

Reaching the end of another cycle... I've been extremely hungry and tired as I've been ramping down this time and quite achy. All over achy, but especially in my breasts and some occasional serious cramps in my lower abdomen. Like what I'd suspect menstrual cramps might be like... I can't imagine why I should actually experience that though. AFAIK even with cycling doses I really shouldn't have cramps.

Anyways. I've also been feeling this really strange sensation in my breasts, especially my left. It's like I can feel something "moving" around. It's weird.

[TibetanPrincess]

I really wish my right breast would start at least pacing only slightly behind my left. I am now beginning to see a very visibly pronounced difference between them... And I'm feeling a dramatic difference too. There's a lot more mass behind my left nipple compared to my right. I've decided to just do away with splitting the PM between breasts and am just putting all the drops directly on my right nipple and massaging only that breast now. I'm also stealing some PC from being applied to other areas and applying to my right breast at the same time. So I'm massaging a combination of estrogens and progesterone and adaptogens into my right breast.

Let's see if this works...

Ive always wondered if this would work. I know p receptors can get overloaded and shut down just like e receptors.

[Summerglow]

Any updated pics?

I know right before I get my period, I also have intestinal upset. I wonder if the hormones are giving you that side effect?

[AbiDrew85]

Any updated pics?

I know right before I get my period, I also have intestinal upset. I wonder if the hormones are giving you that side effect?

Not yet. I dunno if I'll even do one this time. Not really a WHOLE lot of a change. I did say that the big updates would be more sporadic and random lol.

And hmm... maybe it is intestinal upset. If it is, it must be, because I don't think I've ever experienced that either.

Whatever I'm experiencing right now though is definitely not like anything else I've ever experienced before in all 27 plus years of my life.

[AbiDrew85]

This is becoming serious... I might NEED to see a doctor soon. I can't seem to find ANYTHING to suggest what could be happening that's not purely physiological for a physiology I shouldn't even have.

Starting yesterday which would be my simulated day 2 I have been having severe abdominal upset including but far from limited to diarrhea. And it's only gotten worse.

The only thing I'm finding on the internet that comes close to describing what I think I'm experiencing are all for a condition some women experience during particularly severe periods called dysmenorrhea... But I shouldn't even be having a period at all! And there's no blood in my stool, which would be the only way for it to come out of me if I were, considering my at least apparently male appendages.

Unless somehow it's all just sitting inside me and slowly being reabsorbed into my bloodstream which I can't imagine should be a good thing...

Either way, if this doesn't let up by tomorrow I'm going to have to go see someone about it. Somehow. I'm not sure what sort of doctor I should go see though. Just go to the ER? I don't have any insurance though and the ER is even more expensive than most specialist visits!

I mean. I'd love nothing more than if this WERE dysmenorrhea... Well. I mean. No. This seriously sucks and I hope that if that is what this is I never have a period this bad again... But... if I were truuuuuly female, and having a period... But I really can't see how that would be possible. I was very much definitely biologically a male before I started all this. Not a strong or very well developed one, no, but I definitely have the body hair of a particularly hirsute one as well as all the plumbing which certainly seemed to be in proper working order, even if I didn't particularly appreciate it's functions.

OK. So... Looking at nude photos of "other" men, my pelvic region does seem somewhat strange compared... but... I don't look exactly female either. But I've NEVER heard of anyone being intersexed and it taking until they were 27 years old for it to become evident! Let alone a true hermaphrodite even existing at all!

If what appears to be happening is really happening... This is just crazy. The stuff of science fiction. This shouldn't be possible!

I'm going to do some more research and try to find out if anything I'm taking, or the combination of, might cause these symptoms... There has to be some more plausible explanation for my ailment.

Hopefully I can find something. But if not, I'll have to see a doctor, and hopefully THEY can figure it out!

Oh Dr. HOUUUUUUSE! lol. Hey. If there really were a doctor as smart as he is portrayed, I'd put up with his brattiness any day if he could just fix me.

[AbiDrew85]

I have been unable to find anything else that's at all conclusive. In fact most of what I'm taking ought to be binding me up if anything. So I'm going to, even though it's the seemingly unlikeliest, go with treatment of dysmenorrhea... Which is a low-dose NSAID every 4 to 6 hours. I'm using ibuprofen 200mg.

If this actually helps, as far as I can tell it shouldn't do ANYTHING for any other causes of anything I'm experiencing, so... It'll be to a doctor I must go. Cuz the implications in that case are just waaaaay too much for me to deal with on my own.

If it doesn't help, I'll have to discontinue the XPLC. That seems to be the next most likely. Supposedly Yohimbe bark CAN cause diarrhea, but it ought to take a lot more of it than I'm getting in the XPLC, and I ought to be getting symptoms completely unrelated to dysmenorrhea that I'm NOT getting, and it still fails to explain several symptoms I AM having.

If discontinuing XPLC doesn't help... It'll still be to a doctor I go cuz I'll have exhausted my own understanding.