(24-06-2013, 05:42 AM)ct23 Wrote: It's really kinda scaring me how fast my body is reacting to it. I have a feeling I could grow some serious breasts on this stuff.
(25-06-2013, 10:02 AM)palomasback Wrote: i've noticed that biological males have a lot more luck with NBE anyways because they don't have estrogen-regulating systems in place that adapt to what ever you're doing and shut down your progress.. the male to female transexuals I see always have wayyyyyyyy crazier curves than most biological females..
(26-06-2013, 03:21 AM)ct23 Wrote: The thing with BO though is that it increases aromatase in the body, which if working correctly, converts the body's natural testosterone to estrogen. The body can't really fight back against it if enough BO is within the body because as it produces testosterone then the aromatase converts it to estrogen leading to more feminine traits unlike PM. PM already creates an estrogen itself without REPLACING the testosterone.
(26-06-2013, 08:40 AM)palomasback Wrote:(26-06-2013, 03:21 AM)ct23 Wrote: The thing with BO though is that it increases aromatase in the body, which if working correctly, converts the body's natural testosterone to estrogen. The body can't really fight back against it if enough BO is within the body because as it produces testosterone then the aromatase converts it to estrogen leading to more feminine traits unlike PM. PM already creates an estrogen itself without REPLACING the testosterone.
Ok, that's totally interesting.. i didn't know that! could you direct me to where you got that info? I'd like to read more on it..
But, even if (with BO) the body converts androgens to estrogens, the body still might just increase its production of whatever breaks estrogen down and eliminates it, or it could cause receptor insensitivity.. right? I mean.. it seems that the whole body is dedicated to maintaining its own sense of balance.. and will make adjustments in order to keep balance as much as possible..
(26-06-2013, 08:40 AM)palomasback Wrote:(26-06-2013, 03:21 AM)ct23 Wrote: The thing with BO though is that it increases aromatase in the body, which if working correctly, converts the body's natural testosterone to estrogen. The body can't really fight back against it if enough BO is within the body because as it produces testosterone then the aromatase converts it to estrogen leading to more feminine traits unlike PM. PM already creates an estrogen itself without REPLACING the testosterone.
Ok, that's totally interesting.. i didn't know that! could you direct me to where you got that info? I'd like to read more on it..
But, even if (with BO) the body converts androgens to estrogens, the body still might just increase its production of whatever breaks estrogen down and eliminates it, or it could cause receptor insensitivity.. right? I mean.. it seems that the whole body is dedicated to maintaining its own sense of balance.. and will make adjustments in order to keep balance as much as possible..
(26-06-2013, 01:35 PM)ct23 Wrote:(26-06-2013, 08:40 AM)palomasback Wrote:(26-06-2013, 03:21 AM)ct23 Wrote: The thing with BO though is that it increases aromatase in the body, which if working correctly, converts the body's natural testosterone to estrogen. The body can't really fight back against it if enough BO is within the body because as it produces testosterone then the aromatase converts it to estrogen leading to more feminine traits unlike PM. PM already creates an estrogen itself without REPLACING the testosterone.
Ok, that's totally interesting.. i didn't know that! could you direct me to where you got that info? I'd like to read more on it..
But, even if (with BO) the body converts androgens to estrogens, the body still might just increase its production of whatever breaks estrogen down and eliminates it, or it could cause receptor insensitivity.. right? I mean.. it seems that the whole body is dedicated to maintaining its own sense of balance.. and will make adjustments in order to keep balance as much as possible..
All you have to do is google Bovine Ovary and it is all over the place. The funny thing about aromatase is that it is natural in both men and woman BUT, excuse me if I offend anyone, fat men produce more aromatase than skinny men therefore men with more fat produce more estrogen and less testosterone than skinnier men generally. The fat actually promotes aromatase but if you're inputting the primary aromatase source, then if your body works with bovine ovary then you should be able to cross the threshold of being a bigger man to getting a womanly figure depending on how much aromatase is in your body converting testosterone to estrogen. But, Bovine ovary does not work with everyone. BO isn't like PM where it directly effects the hormone pool. With PM alone, Estrogen goes up and generally testosterone stays up until you take enough to overtake the body's natural production (Bad idea for some); however, with BO estrogen goes up from converting testosterone which essentially lowers your testosterone count. Like I said though, BO has to work with your body. If it doesn't work for your body, then the aromatase will not be produced and testosterone will not be converted. As for insensitivity, I don't think it's very possible because it isn't a direct hormone affecting your system. It's a chemical promoting the change of hormones. And, I havn't read about anything that can "break-down" aromatase; however, you can take aromatase inhibitors to stop it. The body generally either produces more testosterone or it produces aromatase to convert test to estrogen. In response, to even more aromatase the body would produce more testosterone to fight it but the more aromatase you put in your body, the more test it will convert (if BO works properly for you).